Subject: need for a bible-anyone |
Bible Note: You wrote: "The problem with that is the thief on the cross was still under the old covenant. The new covenant did not take effect until after the death of Christ (Heb 9:15-17)." Please show me where the Old Covenant was a covenant by which anyone was ever justified. You keep saying this, but Paul makes it quote clear that people have only been saved in one way at any point in human history. "For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance." --Hebrews 9:15 I do not see how this verse supports your view, since this verse is saying that Christ's death was for redemption of sins committed under the first covenant as well. The new covenant in Christ's blood is the one that has always been the means of redemption. Christ's death paid for Abraham's sin, for Moses' sin, and my sin. Completely and totally. Therefore, we can say that while Israel lived under the Old Covenant, they were justified through the sacrifice in the New. Abraham, Moses, and I were saved by Jesus Christ's substitutionary death, not by any external rituals. "The sum of Your word is truth, And every one of Your righteous ordinances is everlasting." --Psalm 119:160 Wow...what a misuse of a verse! So now we should conclude that the "faith, NOT works" passages plus the "works" passages, equals faith plus works! Something there just doesn't seem to add up. Let me go get my calculator... --Joe! |