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1 | Do we as men dictate the terms of Salv? | Bible general Archive 1 | Grace and Truth | 51807 | ||
"I don't put baptism in the category of what Jesus tells us to do in order to be saved. I know: Mark 16:16. Please cite for me ANY other verse where Jesus links baptism and salvation. As has been clearly pointed out, that section of Mark may not be the divinely-inspired writing of Mark. You believing it was definitely in the autographs is a an article of faith on your part and not an extablished fact". This is my whole point to you. You want someone to produce another, verse in the bible, but you know you would have to add to God's word to do it. But yet you wish to take Mark 16:16 out of all bibles and trying to say it's not inspired. I believe you and your friends want to take this verse out because it doesn't support your view of salvation. As I told Hank, Mark 16:16 is here to stay. You mentioned John 6:53, the people's reply to it, was, "this is a hard saying who can hear it" Mark 16:16 is viewed the same way today, by those who want to throw it out, instead of obeying what it says! "The water in baptism is a sign of washing away sins, just like the bread and the cup are the sign of Christ's body being offered for His people. The sign of baptism accompanies the reality of regeneration, but it is not the same thing as regeneration" Your above statement says baptism is a sign, baptism takes faith just like all spoken words from God's book, you have to believe in the power of what God said it for. Your last statement to mouse2, "that statement makes no sense" it made sense to Abraham! |
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2 | Do we as men dictate the terms of Salv? | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 51817 | ||
Greetings Grace and Truth! I thank you for your 'grace' in our debate my friend! We have both made our cases, but we are going in circles! :-) So, for now at least, I'm going to let my posts on this issue stand as they are (though I reserve the right to 'fight' again another day). ;-) I did have a seperate question raised by your post concerning the text of Mark 16:16. How do you explain the fact that so many manuscripts do not include Mark 16:9-20? Hank wasn't making his point up. There are literally thousands of manuscripts which either do not contain Mark 16:9-20 at all, or contain a different ending all together. In fact, there is textual evidence of four different endings. How does one decide which one is the 'real' ending? Just curious! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Do we as men dictate the terms of Salv? | Bible general Archive 1 | Grace and Truth | 51824 | ||
Did Hank also tell you that parts of Revelations are missing and parts of Timothy are missing from these manuscripts! Does that make the ones that do have it, invalid? | ||||||
4 | Do we as men dictate the terms of Salv? | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 51826 | ||
Greetings Grace and Truth! No, he didn't! Which parts? The text of the Bible, as we have it today, is a compilation of various manuscripts. Most manuscripts agree almost 100 percent with one another. Occasionally, one or two will differ in minor points, such as word order or spelling. However, Mark 16:9-20 is entirely missing from the oldest manuscripts. There is evidence from the manuscripts that the scribes themselves note that it was added to some manuscripts. Further, several other endings are found in various manuscripts. I think we can agree that only one version is original. So, the question is which one? How do you decide? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | Do we as men dictate the terms of Salv? | Bible general Archive 1 | Grace and Truth | 51828 | ||
I will gather the information,and share it you soon. | ||||||