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1 | Mark 16:16 what does it say? | Bible general Archive 1 | srbaegon | 51029 | ||
Hello Raven You wrote: "God has given to us all He is going to. The Gospel and a meens to accept it and we have to go to Him and accept it. God doesn't come down from Heaven and pick you, you have to pick God, by repenting, confessing, and being baptized." Excuse me? You mean Christ doesn't draw us to Himself? John 12:32 (ESV) And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself." And we're not called? Romans 8:30 (ESV) And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified. And we're not chosen? Ephes. 1:4 (ESV) [E]ven as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. 2 Peter 1:10 (ESV) Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to make your calling and election sure, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall. And the Holy Spirit doesn't convict? John 16:8 (ESV) And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: And...and... Steve |
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2 | Mark 16:16 what does it say? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 51035 | ||
Hello Steve, And...and you are saying then that God literaly chooses certain people and others He destins to burn in Hell? Is this correct? Now before you write back answer the above question first. Then while you are writing read; John 3 16For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 2 Peter 3 9The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us,[1] not willing that ANY should perish but that ALL should come to repentance. Matthew 11 28Come to Me, ALL you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. I use the next verse to show that it works both ways with God Luke 13 3I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will ALL likewise perish. Acts 2 38Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and LET EVERY ONE OF YOU be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. And there are many more. And my last question to you is how can you put these verses into your belief that God draws us to Himself. These verses show that a person must be "willing" not under mind manipulation. The only way God draws us is by reading His word. Romans 10 17So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Raven |
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3 | Mark 16:16 what does it say? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 51051 | ||
Oh, do let's not open up the whole election can of worms right now. That would be very distracting to the matter at hand. Go to quick search and type in "elect" or look at the notes for the verses you included. All of them have been addressed from both the election and free-will side for anyone to see. I find it interesting that you have finally visited John 3:16, however. What if someone believes in Jesus but has not been baptized yet, according to this verse? "WHOEVER," as you put it. Repentance is an aspect of saving faith. Both are mental attitudes or dispositions. Neither are outward works we do. Romans 10:17...faith again. I do not see baptism mentioned....so many times it is left out of the "justification mix"... Many come to faith by hearing His word proclaimed, rather than reading it for themselves. How does this eliminate the Holy Spirit's active work in inwardly calling the sinner to repentance? The Holy Spirit works through His word. --Joe! |
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4 | Mark 16:16 what does it say? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 51110 | ||
Hello Joe!, You wrote,"The Holy Spirit works through His word" That is what I have been trying to say! I also have been trying to say that the other verses I quoted in my last post work hand in hand with John 3:16 and Eph 2:8-9 and all other scripture. No scripture can be set aside or catagorized into a different doctrine. The bible must all fit together. Now please tell me are you saying then that God literaly chooses certain people and others He destins to burn in Hell? Please read again the verses in the previous post before giving an answer. Raven |
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5 | Mark 16:16 what does it say? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 51112 | ||
RAVEN: You wrote: "Now please tell me are you saying then that God literaly chooses certain people and others He destins to burn in Hell?" I think it is clear from the body of my "work" here that I firmly believe only those whom God chooses will be rescued from the hell we all deserve. Only they will be enabled to believe in Jesus Christ and come to Christ. Those who follow John 3:16 are those whom God has regenerated. Whoever will call on the Lord will be saved. But who are those who will call on the Lord? Again, these verses have been treated from both my perspective and yours on this forum. Look up the notes on the verses you cited and post to them rather than turning this into an even longer thread, please! :) --Joe! |
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