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1 | Mark 16:16 what does it say? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 50898 | ||
Hello Tim, You wrote,The simple fact is that there are more statments in the Bible which support that baptism is not essential to salvation. One could ask the quesiton, why don't you hear them? By this then you would admit that some scriptures point to the need for baptism. Right? My friend God only has to say it once. And if its a command we better do it. Raven |
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2 | Mark 16:16 what does it say? | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 50923 | ||
Greetings Raven! Does Scripture command Baptism? Yes! Is Baptism important? Yes! Does one need to be baptized in order to be saved? No! The clearest Scripture of all is Eph. 2:8-9. Faith alone saves, not works. I still would like you to address all the Scriptures that I listed in my last post. How can the belief in baptismal regeneration be reconciled with all of those clear statements? Well, I've got to get to bed so I get up for Church! :-) Catch you later! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Mark 16:16 what does it say? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 50978 | ||
Hey Tim, You wrote:Does Scripture command Baptism? Yes! Is Baptism important? Yes! Does one need to be baptized in order to be saved? No! The clearest Scripture of all is Eph. 2:8-9. Faith alone saves, not works. Does Scripture command Baptism? Yes! Is Baptism important? Yes! Does one need to be baptized in order to be saved? Yes! James 2 22Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? James 2 26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. If we go only with Ephesians 2:8 "For by grace you have been saved" then the above scriptures would contradict because they show that works are needed. Not works as doing good deeds but obedient works that submit to the gospel. The bible cannot contradict itself. If it does then it would not be inspired. We need to take all scriptures and apply them to our lives. Read all of James 2. 1 Peter 3 21There is also an antitype which now saves us--baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, This is what baptism is, an answer. Jesus said in Matt 11:28 "Come unto me all who are weak and heavy laden, and I will give you rest." But to do that we must answer,we must submit in the obedience to the faith by being baptized for remission of sins. It's simple and it's clear, won't you do it today? Raven |
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4 | Mark 16:16 what does it say? | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 50994 | ||
Greetings Raven! You have demonstrated exactly the problem one has in trying to define baptism in such a way that it is not a work. You yourself wrote: "If we go only with Ephesians 2:8 "For by grace you have been saved" then the above scriptures would contradict because they show that works are needed. Not works as doing good deeds but obedient works that submit to the gospel." The problem is that even under your definition, baptism is still a work and is still necessary for salvation. Thus, your definition does contradict Eph. 2:8-9, which specifically rules out any works as being necessary for salvation. What role does 'works' play in our salvation, none in accomplishing our salvation. However, once we are saved, then we will 'work' and be obedient to God's commands - such as baptism. This is exactly what Eph. 2:10 and James 2 are both speaking about. James 2 isn't saying that works save us. James 2 is saying that those who are saved (or who have faith) will 'work'. You see, I don't have any problem with saying: "Once you are saved, you must be baptized", since Jesus commands it. But, I do have a problem with saying: "You must be baptized in order to be saved." This violates Eph. 2:8-9, Romans 4-5, and Galations - all of which make it clear that 'works' cannot save us, nor do they help us along in salvation. Salvation is entirely a work of Grace in response to faith. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | Mark 16:16 what does it say? | Bible general Archive 1 | Norrie | 51010 | ||
Baptism is what we do to show obedience, not to get saved. It's like confirmation that we are saved. | ||||||