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1 | Mark 16:16 what does it say? | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 50771 | ||
Greetings Grace and Truth! Is every command for salvation? No! Most of the commands are only possible because of salvation. We can only love because we have been saved. We should be baptized because we have been saved. We should attend church because we have been saved. But, none of these 'works' save us (Eph. 2:8-9, ect...). How about Rom. 8:24? We are saved 'in' hope, not 'by' hope. How about 1 Peter 3:19-21? I have already posted on this question several time, but my short version is this: Peter himself stresses emphatically that baptism does not cleanse the flesh, but is simply the answer of a good conscience toward God. I have tried to honestly and thoroughly deal with each Scripture you have presented to me. Why don't you go back to my previous post and respond to the Scriptures listed there? How can they be true, if baptism is necessary for salvation? How can works be necessary for salvation, when Eph. 2:8-9 (among others) specifically states that we are not saved by works? Many people have asked these questions about baptismal regeneration, but all we have gotten in return is more questions. We may never agree on this issue my friend, but I would like to see how you honestly deal with these verses. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Mark 16:16 what does it say? | Bible general Archive 1 | Grace and Truth | 50983 | ||
Eph 2:8-9 Let's look at the text here, the word faith in the text, you believe that it's talking about belief? The faith in this text refer to the gospel and not your belief! "For by grace are ye saved through the faith (the gospel): and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God" This is how the text reads. The gospel is the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ, match that with Romans 6:3-4 baptism is the same responce, we are dead because of sin, we are buried, and we are raised up out of the watery grave of baptism to walk in the newness of life "all through faith in Jesus Christ" that's what the bible teaches! You mentioned 1Peter 3:19-21 We know Peter was not talking about taking a bath, he explained how baptism works God's salvation through faith when one is baptized, it clear one's conscience, baptism doth ALSO NOW SAVE US! WHO'S THE US IN THE TEXT? EVERYONE WHO SUBMITS TO BAPTISM, IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT SAVES (NOW) YOU DON'T BELIEVE GOD'S WORD! (NO IT'S NOT A BATH) IT'S IN THE GOSPEL, PETER, PHILIP,PAUL AND JESUS PREACH IT, HOW ABOUT YOU! | ||||||
3 | Mark 16:16 what does it say? | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 50999 | ||
Greetings Grace and Truth! Good try my friend, but your handling of Eph. 2:8-9 doesn't work for 3 reasons. 1) First of all, the Greek text of Eph. 2:8 does not read 'through THE faith'. The phrase is 'dia pistews'. 2) Secondly, you ascribing to the noun 'faith' a meaning which it does not usually possess. 'Pistis' is simply the noun form of 'pisteuo', the word which we translate as 'believe'. So 'pistis' is simply believe or trust placed in someone or something. For instance, Romans 3:22 uses both the verb and the noun form together: "This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference," Faith here, is nothing more and nothing less than belief or trust in Jesus Christ. Gal. 2:16 is pertinent to our discussion both because of the way it uses the word 'faith' and because of the message of the verse. It says, "know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified." Notice again that 'faith' here is believe or trust in someone - in this case, Jesus Christ. So, it is not correct to say that 'faith' in Eph. 2:8-9 refers to 'The Faith' - and make it artifically include 'works' which are explicitly ruled out in the verse as a means of salvation. 3) And finally, it violates everything that the New Testament says about the role of works in the life of a believer (Rom. 4-5, Galations, ect...). Concerning 1 Pe. 3:19-21, I agree with you tat baptism is a type, but I differ in my interpretation of this passage. Peter explicitly says that baptism does not cleanse the flesh - but is an answer of a good conscience toward God. So, when does baptism occur in the life of an individual? After one has been cleansed, in response to the command of Christ. But, baptism is not necessary for salvation - it is a response to God's grace, not a means of obtaining God's grace. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Mark 16:16 what does it say? | Bible general Archive 1 | Grace and Truth | 51012 | ||
My friend Tim Moran, You have now made one step closer to the truth in you statement: "Concerning 1 Pe. 3:19-21, I agree with you that baptism is a type " 1Peter 3:19-21 Shows us where baptism works, by faith on our conscience! again it's not a bath, we are to submit to it by faith in Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, as in Acts 2:38;22:16 " to wash away our sins" That's what God commanded, through Jesus Christ! |
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