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1 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 50645 | ||
Hello Justme, I will try to answer with grace and love as I have been instructed by the Lockman Foundation. It seems my answers that I give directly from the bible have offended someone and I have been put on notice. You wrote:I have no problem with baptism being proof of the fact you have repented and are now saved. In fact when ever someone refuses to, then that is evidence that salvation has not really happened. Would we be together so far? I sense that you have a very open mind and are truley wanting to learn about what I am speaking. Lets look at Acts 2:38. I know tired old Acts 2:38. But since its in the bible we have to address it. Acts 2 38Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. After reading this one must keep in mind the question from Acts 2:37. "What must we do to be saved?" Remember it says that these men that Peter preached to were "devout men, from every nation under heaven." Acts 2:5 And after being preached to "they were cut to the heart". Acts 2:37 They belived! They had faith! They knew Jesus was the Christ, but still they ask "Men and brethren, what shall we do?" And Peter told them. The "for" in the verse is the pivitol point in the verse where many jump ship. They were told to "do" something to receive something. For the remission of sins. Its the same way everyday of our lives, we work for pay for example. We don't get paid if we don't work. So I would have to say that we are not in agreement yet. You see baptism is not done because a person has been saved, its done to be saved. You wrote:The only issue I question is the final judge is of course is Jesus Christ. Right? Yes, we agree. You wrote:However I am willing to share Christ with some one who is quite near death and let the Lord make the judgement call on if that person is welcome or is to be departed to eternal punishment. A person has their entire life to obey the gospel. Jesus has set forth in his commands how we are to contact that saving grace. If we refuse to do that, He will refuse us. I was told a story about a man that was drowning and a man cast him a rope but the man refused to grab it. The people ask why did he drown? The man answered because he wouldn't grab the rope. Wrong, he would have drown even if there were no rope. Its the same way with sin, people are in sin and they gospel has to accepted. You wrote:I personally allow God to show mercy to whomever He so desires. God shows His grace and mercy to every one who opens up and reads the bible. The bible itself is the grace of God. 2 Peter 3 9The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us,[1] not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. I hope this has helped :). Raven |
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2 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 50657 | ||
Greetings Raven! I was curious about your exgesis of Acts 2. Where exactly does Acts 2:14-41 say that they had 'faith' or that they had already 'believed'? The only passage which speaks of anything remotely like a response to the Gospel is verse 41 which says that 'those who accepted his message were baptized'. Thus, some of those referred to in Acts 2:37 had not already accepted. No one is tired of Acts 2:38, it is the misinterpretation of Acts 2:38 which causes consternation. ;-) As I have posted several times, the singular command 'to be baptized' cannot be connected to the plural pronoun in the phrase 'for forgiveness of your sins'. The only verb which can be connected to the 'eis' clause is the plural command to 'repent'. Thus, it is repentance which leads to forgiveness of sins - not repentance and baptism. This is a grammatical fact which has to be dealt with in interpreting Acts 2:38. Thus far, I haven't heard any explanation from the baptismal regeneration postition which deals with this point - other than to simply ignore it's importance. It is hard to duplicate this problem in English. The closest I can think of would be an example like the following (remember Greek does not follow the same word order rules as English does): "Paul said that those who live foolishly he does not live foolishly they will perish". If the above were a Greek sentence, it would be obvious that the pronoun 'he' can only refer to Paul. While the pronoun 'they' could only refer to 'those who live foolishly' and the phrase 'they will perish' can also only refer to the plural 'those who live foolishly'. What the baptismal regeneration position does is try to force the 'he' to refer to the plural 'those' and the 'they' to refer to the 'he'. It can't be done. It breaks the rules of Grammar. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | stjones | 50691 | ||
Hi, Tim; Always believing that the Bible can be understood by mono-lingual non-scholars, ;-) I'd like to suggest another way of looking at baptismal regeneration. It seems to me this idea has two fatal flaws. First, it negates the many instances where the Bible says that all who call upon the name of the Lord will be saved (e.g. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21, Romans 10:13). This simple, unqualified statement is beautifully illustrated by the thief on the cross. Second, it asserts that Jesus, who came to save the world (John 3:17), is unable or unwilling to save anyone in it without man's help. This is an idea that was dealt with in the Reformation - that a sinner could not enter into a right relationship with God without the help of a human mediator. There are certainly instances in the NT where baptism and salvation are associated within a single story. But there too many counter-examples to claim that the two are invariably linked. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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4 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 50695 | ||
Greetings Steve! Well said my friend! Another good Scripture reference is found in the words of Christ in John 6:28-29: "28 Then they asked him, ‘‘What must we do to do the works God requires?” 29 Jesus answered, ‘‘The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”" Was Jesus wrong? Of course He wasn't, and the only 'work' He mentioned is 'to believe'. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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