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1 | Mark 16:16 what does it say? | Bible general Archive 1 | stjones | 50902 | ||
Hi, Raven; Just to put my cards on the table, I completely support Tim's statements on this issue. In everything I have ever seen him post these many months, he has consistently proven himself to be thoughtful, knowledgeable, curteous, and wise. In your note, you supposed that Tim "would admit that some scriptures point to the need for baptism" I don't speak for Tim, but I would agree that some scriptures do point in that direction. However, when a particular interpretation of a handful of passages directly contradicts a theme that is stated clearly and unequivocally throughout the Bible, I reject that interpretation as being of men, not of God. I'd like you to answer a question I recently posed to someone on the forum who seems to like rules and regulations - Paul wrote "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--not by works, so that no one can boast" Grace accessed through faith; no mention of baptism. I would assume that many of the Ephesian believers had been baptised. But according to Paul, it was not baptism that saved them, rather it was God's gracious response to their faith. If Paul was not mistaken, not deceitful, not scribbling words that have no meaming today, how do you deny his simple, straightforward statement? Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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2 | Mark 16:16 what does it say? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 50908 | ||
Hi, Steve. You wrote: "But according to Paul, it was not baptism that saved them, rather it was God's gracious response to their faith." And, of course, some of us say that faith is our response to God's grace. :) One advantage, coming from a Reformed perspective, is that we do not even entertain the argument that baptism precedes regeneration, because we hold that the Bible teaches that God's regenerative grace precedes faith as well. The belief that God acts singlehandedly to both initiate and secure the salvation of individuals leaves no room for the question of regeneration by baptism. Now back to our regularly scheduled debate! :) --Joe! P.S. I sure wish one of these C of C people would address my comments regarding baptism and Galatians 3:15-17. |
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3 | Mark 16:16 what does it say? | Bible general Archive 1 | stjones | 50913 | ||
Hi, Joe! As a Presbyterian, I'm supposed to agree completely. There's just a teeny trace of Arminianism in me that keeps me at about 95 percent. ;-) Peace and Grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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