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1 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | Hank | 50341 | ||
Raven, in reviewing this thread I find that Reformer Joe has already posted a response to your post, and an excellent one it was in my estimation, so I won't attempt another, which would be essentially a duplication of what Joe has said, since he and I are on the same page regarding this faith-works question..... You asked whether I'd ever looked through Paul's letter to the Romans. The answer is yes, I have managed in my 53 years as a Christian to develop a nodding acquaintance with it, have in fact taught it verse by verse in Bible study classes. It was this same apostle who penned Romans, by the way, who wrote a letter to the Ephesians saying, "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." (2:8,9) Raven, how do you fit these clear-as-crystal verses, among others such as Joe cited, into your salvation equals faith plus works equation? Oh, we would have to add water baptism to the equation too, wouldn't we, so we could be sure we'd touched all bases. So, let's revise what Paul said; perhaps he wrote in haste and left out a couple of things. Let's "improve" the passage just a bit so that it fits more nicely in your doctrinal scheme: For by grace you have been saved through faith, plus baptism, plus good works, and part of that is of yourselves, of works so anyone can boast, and part of it is a gift of God. See how easy it is? Simply change a word here and there and presto! it can be tailor-made to fit just about any theology. --Hank | ||||||
2 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 50363 | ||
Hello Hank, You really are blind to this aren't you? You wrote "Raven, how do you fit these clear-as-crystal verses, among others such as Joe cited, into your salvation equals faith plus works equation?" Can't you see that it is you who are trying to take away from the bible by not submitting to all of it? James 2 22DO YOU SEE THAT FAITH WAS WORKING TOGETHER WITH HIS WORKS, AND BY WORKS FAITH WAS MADE PERFECT? You have to accept it all Hank for "faith" to be valed. Raven |
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3 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 50367 | ||
You are the one who is blind, RAVEN, thinking that your works are anything but filthy rags before an infinitely holy God. Do you really think you are going to stand before God and say that you deserve to come in because you have done this and this and this? Please. You have absolutely no right on your own even to stand before a holy God. Your false theology makes Christ's sacrifice absolutely unnecessary. You obviously are blind, still in your sins, because you can't even follow Hank's argument at all. Or mine. We accept the whole counsel of God. We see the role of works as the evidence of true, saving faith. You, on the other hand, have nothing to say in response to Romans 4 or Ephesians 2:8-10, because that would mean abandoning your false church's teachings. What you accuse of others can eaily be applied to yourself: "Can't you see that it is you who are trying to take away from the bible by not submitting to all of it?" --Joe! |
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4 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 50391 | ||
weak!!!!!!! | ||||||
5 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | Makarios | 50397 | ||
* Reposted due to popular demand * Part 2 of 2 "Is baptism necessary for salvation?" "Mark 16:16, a verse often quoted to prove baptism is necessary for salvation, is actually a proof of the opposite. Notice that the basis for condemnation in that verse is not the failure to be baptized, but only the failure to believe. Baptism is mentioned in the first part of the verse because it was the outward symbol that always accompanied the inward belief. I might also mention that many textual scholars think it unlikely that vv. 9-20 are an authentic part of Mark's gospel. We can't discuss here all the textual evidence that has caused many New Testament scholars to reject the passage. But you can find a thorough discussion in Bruce Metzger, et al., A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament, pp. 122-128, and William Hendriksen, The Gospel of Mark, pp. 682-687. Water baptism does not seem to be what Peter has in view in 1 Peter 3:21. The English word "baptism" is simply a transliteration of the Greek word baptizo, which means "to immerse." Baptizo does not always refer to water baptism in the New Testament (cf. Matthew 3:11; Mark 1:8; 7:4; 10:38-39; Luke 3:16; 11:38; 12:50; John 1:33; Acts 1:5; 11:16; 1 Corinthians 10:2; 12:13). Peter is not talking about immersion in water, as the phrase "not the removal of dirt from the flesh" indicates. He is referring to immersion in Christ's death and resurrection through "an appeal to God for a good conscience," or repentance. I also do not believe water baptism is in view in Romans 6 or Galatians 3. I see in those passages a reference to the baptism in the Holy Spirit (cf. 1 Corinthians 12:13). For a detailed exposition of those passages, I refer you to my commentaries on Galatians and Romans, or the tapes of my sermons on Galatians 3 and Romans 6. In Acts 22:16, Paul recounts the words of Ananias to him following his experience on the Damascus road: "Arise, and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name." It is best to connect the phrase "wash away your sins" with "calling on His name." If we connect it with "be baptized," the Greek participle epikalesamenos ("calling") would have no antecedent. Paul's sins were washed away not by baptism, but by calling on His name. Baptism is certainly important, and required of every believer. However, the New Testament does not teach that baptism is necessary for salvation." "© 2000 Grace to You" Part 2 of 2 [http://www.gty.org/IssuesandAnswers/archive/baptism.htm] |
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