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1 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | Hank | 50341 | ||
Raven, in reviewing this thread I find that Reformer Joe has already posted a response to your post, and an excellent one it was in my estimation, so I won't attempt another, which would be essentially a duplication of what Joe has said, since he and I are on the same page regarding this faith-works question..... You asked whether I'd ever looked through Paul's letter to the Romans. The answer is yes, I have managed in my 53 years as a Christian to develop a nodding acquaintance with it, have in fact taught it verse by verse in Bible study classes. It was this same apostle who penned Romans, by the way, who wrote a letter to the Ephesians saying, "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." (2:8,9) Raven, how do you fit these clear-as-crystal verses, among others such as Joe cited, into your salvation equals faith plus works equation? Oh, we would have to add water baptism to the equation too, wouldn't we, so we could be sure we'd touched all bases. So, let's revise what Paul said; perhaps he wrote in haste and left out a couple of things. Let's "improve" the passage just a bit so that it fits more nicely in your doctrinal scheme: For by grace you have been saved through faith, plus baptism, plus good works, and part of that is of yourselves, of works so anyone can boast, and part of it is a gift of God. See how easy it is? Simply change a word here and there and presto! it can be tailor-made to fit just about any theology. --Hank | ||||||
2 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | Aspiring Overseer | 50356 | ||
Some more thoughts on Salvation: Who was Paul writing to in Ephesians 2? Was he not instructing the Gentiles that while prior to Jesus dying on the cross they had no hope for salvation, but now, through no effort of their own, God had (has) given them the opportunity? Like a father giving their child a car, that child may not have deserved a car, however, they received one without having to pay a penny for it. The problem, however, exists that for the child to benefit from that gift they must maintain it, buy gas for it, purchase insurance, etc. Without the child's continuing efforts, their ability to receive any benefit from that car ceases to exist. So to with salvation. |
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3 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | Hank | 50368 | ||
Raven, I quite agree that in your analogy, the child whose father gave him a car (salvation) will not enjoy his car (salvation) as much if he is lax in his stewardship, but he still has the car (salvation). --Hank | ||||||
4 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | Aspiring Overseer | 50525 | ||
If I were a betting man (although I am not) I would place my vote with the man who loved God and was not lax in obeying His commands. He will make it to paradise whether you are correct or not. Pray with a sincere and open heart, Hank, and God will send you someone to show you a more excellent way. |
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5 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | Hank | 50542 | ||
What brass you have, my friend! What presumption! I have been a Christian for 53 years. Who are you to say to me, "Pray with a sincere and open heart, Hank, and God will send you someone to show you a more excellent way"? --Hank | ||||||
6 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | Aspiring Overseer | 50545 | ||
Is anything impossible with God? | ||||||
7 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | Hank | 50546 | ||
You respond to my question with a question. That's not the way the game is played on this forum. Answer my question! What right do you have to say to a Christian member of this forum that God will send him someone to show him a more excellent way? You hide behind total anonymity. What IS your 'more excellent way'? State clearly what is on your mind and cease with the riddles. --Hank | ||||||