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1 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 50221 | ||
Hello Hank, I would like to ask if you have ever looked thru the book or Romans? You said,"Salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone". I'll give you one out the three. But you see the other two can't hold water with scriptures like this; Romans 1 5Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for OBEDIENCE to the faith among all nations for His name, Romans 6 16Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of OBEDIENCE leading to righteousness? Romans 16 26but now made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for OBEDIENCE to the faith-- Matthew 7 Build on the Rock (1) 24 "Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, AND DOES THEM, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: 25and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock. 26"But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and DOES NOT DO THEM, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: James 1 22But be DOERS OF THE WORD, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; 24for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. 25But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty AND CONTINUES IN IT, and is not a forgetful hearer BUT A DOER OF THE WORK, this one will be blessed in what he does. James 2 Faith Without Works Is Dead (1) 14 What does it profit, my brethren, IF SOMEONE SAYS HE HAS FAITH BUT DOES NOT HAVE WORKS? CAN FAITH SAVE HIM? 15If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16and one of you says to them, "Depart in peace, be warmed and filled," but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17THUS ALSO FAITH BY ITSELF, IF IT DOES NOT HAVE WORKS, IS DEAD.18But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your[1] works, and I will show you my faith by my[2] works. 19You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe--and tremble! 20But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[3] 21Was not Abraham our father JUSTIFIED BY WORKS when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22DO YOU SEE THAT FAITH WAS WORKING TOGETHER WITH HIS WORKS, AND BY WORKS FAITH WAS MADE PERFECT? 23And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."[4] And he was called the friend of God. 24You see then that a man is justified by works, AND NOT BY FAITH ONLY. 25Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also JUSTIFIED BY WORKS when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? 26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD ALSO. Hank, why can you not read these few verses and and not know that faith only will not save anybody or anyone at anytime! Your friend, Raven |
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2 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | Hank | 50341 | ||
Raven, in reviewing this thread I find that Reformer Joe has already posted a response to your post, and an excellent one it was in my estimation, so I won't attempt another, which would be essentially a duplication of what Joe has said, since he and I are on the same page regarding this faith-works question..... You asked whether I'd ever looked through Paul's letter to the Romans. The answer is yes, I have managed in my 53 years as a Christian to develop a nodding acquaintance with it, have in fact taught it verse by verse in Bible study classes. It was this same apostle who penned Romans, by the way, who wrote a letter to the Ephesians saying, "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." (2:8,9) Raven, how do you fit these clear-as-crystal verses, among others such as Joe cited, into your salvation equals faith plus works equation? Oh, we would have to add water baptism to the equation too, wouldn't we, so we could be sure we'd touched all bases. So, let's revise what Paul said; perhaps he wrote in haste and left out a couple of things. Let's "improve" the passage just a bit so that it fits more nicely in your doctrinal scheme: For by grace you have been saved through faith, plus baptism, plus good works, and part of that is of yourselves, of works so anyone can boast, and part of it is a gift of God. See how easy it is? Simply change a word here and there and presto! it can be tailor-made to fit just about any theology. --Hank | ||||||
3 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | Aspiring Overseer | 50356 | ||
Some more thoughts on Salvation: Who was Paul writing to in Ephesians 2? Was he not instructing the Gentiles that while prior to Jesus dying on the cross they had no hope for salvation, but now, through no effort of their own, God had (has) given them the opportunity? Like a father giving their child a car, that child may not have deserved a car, however, they received one without having to pay a penny for it. The problem, however, exists that for the child to benefit from that gift they must maintain it, buy gas for it, purchase insurance, etc. Without the child's continuing efforts, their ability to receive any benefit from that car ceases to exist. So to with salvation. |
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4 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | Hank | 50368 | ||
Raven, I quite agree that in your analogy, the child whose father gave him a car (salvation) will not enjoy his car (salvation) as much if he is lax in his stewardship, but he still has the car (salvation). --Hank | ||||||
5 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | Aspiring Overseer | 50525 | ||
If I were a betting man (although I am not) I would place my vote with the man who loved God and was not lax in obeying His commands. He will make it to paradise whether you are correct or not. Pray with a sincere and open heart, Hank, and God will send you someone to show you a more excellent way. |
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6 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | Hank | 50542 | ||
What brass you have, my friend! What presumption! I have been a Christian for 53 years. Who are you to say to me, "Pray with a sincere and open heart, Hank, and God will send you someone to show you a more excellent way"? --Hank | ||||||
7 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | Aspiring Overseer | 50545 | ||
Is anything impossible with God? | ||||||
8 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | Hank | 50546 | ||
You respond to my question with a question. That's not the way the game is played on this forum. Answer my question! What right do you have to say to a Christian member of this forum that God will send him someone to show him a more excellent way? You hide behind total anonymity. What IS your 'more excellent way'? State clearly what is on your mind and cease with the riddles. --Hank | ||||||