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1 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 50310 | ||
You wrote: "The writings in the bible by the Apostles and prophets are our only guide." So you would agree with a statement such as this one? "To let God be true means to let God have the say as to what is the truth that sets men free. It means to accept his Word, the Bible, as the truth. Hence...our appeal is to the Bible for truth. Our obligation is to back up what is said...by quotations from the Bible for proof of truthfulness and reliability. That is the course the inspired writers and faithful characters of the Bible took and recommended." You wrote: "To put it plainly if the church of Christ that I know to be the true church of God that we have today is not the true church, then just by the standards set forth in the bible then we have lost the church and the whole of humanity and all are going to Hell." So where was the church between the end of the first century and the beginning of the 19th? You wrote: "To know a denomination you can go to the scriptures and see if what they practice is in accordance with the New Testament." Paul wrote: "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work." --2 Timothy 3:16-17 The "Scripture" Paul was referring to here is the OLD Testament. Looking through nearly every book of the New Testament, I see that "the writings of the Apostles" that serve as "our only guide" sure make a great deal of reference and reinforcement of the Old Testament teachings. Then I turn back to Psalm 150 and see the Church of Christ's false teaching about music (unless God has changed His mind). I see choirs in the Old Testament, without any prohibition against them in the New (God changing His mind again?). Not every denomination allows women pastors or pastor rule. Timothy apparently was a single pastor. So what I see are a lot of traditions of men given the weight of commandments of God, along with some valid arguments against SOME practices in SOME denominations. All this, and still no definition of what a denomination is. The Churches of Christ fit most, if not all, the traditional marks of a denomination. --Joe! |
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2 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 50382 | ||
The church has always been since it was established. Though it may have been small and partly crushed due to Roman rule. You wrote, "The "Scripture" Paul was referring to here is the OLD Testament." Are you saying that the New Testament is not inspired. Joe it did not say Old Testament only, it said "ALL". Joe are you under the old or the new Testaments? Which one? Give an answer? The bible use many references from new to old and prophecies from old to new. But the church was established in the NEW! Just because God aloud something doesn't mean that is the way He wanted it. Case in point DIVORCE! Matthew 19 8He said to them, "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. Raven |
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3 | need for a bible-anyone | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 50440 | ||
'Are you saying that the New Testament is not inspired. Joe it did not say Old Testament only, it said "ALL".' Yes, I am saying the NT is not inspired. Couldn;t you tell from my constant quotation of it that I do not hold it in high regard? Please get real. (And for those just joining us, that is sarcasm). Since the New Testament was not complete yet, Paul was referring here to the Old Testament, however. You wrote: "The church has always been since it was established. Though it may have been small and partly crushed due to Roman rule." Really? So where were people baptising by immersion before the Anabaptists of the 16th century? Since burial in water is a prereqiuisite for entering heaven according to the Churches of Christ, please point out to us where that was being done in the Middle Ages. You wrote: "Joe are you under the old or the new Testaments? Which one? Give an answer?" Being a Gentile, I was never part of the Mosaic Covenant. However, you have yet to demonstrate how musical instruments and choirs are forbidden in the church. That is the biggest bunch of silliness that has ever come down the pike! You wrote: "But the church was established in the NEW!" The church was established in the New, but there is a continuous link between the Old Testament people of God (saved by grace through faith in the coming redemption -- Abraham in Romans 4 again) and the New Testament people of God (saved by grace through faith in the accomplished redemption). One group was not abolished to establish the other. Rather, Gentiles were grafted in to God's people (Romans 9-11). The two became one (Galatians 3:27-29; Ephesians 2:11-22). So we see that God never liked divorce, but permitted it. Please show me where God hated musical instruments and choirs, but permitted them. --Joe! |
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