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1 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | inmyheart | 68297 | ||
Hank-- Why do you and your friend keep labeling me with The Word of Faith movement. I never heard of that before until you both introduced that title here on the forum. Also, all you see is that Paul suffered, you never mention the miracles he experienced. Now you tell me, what is God going to do for you, that He hasn't already done? I never mentioned once anywhere that we as christians walk a path paved with sweetness and light, although there is no darkness in Christ. I experienced sufferings, do you think for one moment that this is coming from God, and I should say "I'm suffering for God?" With all the promises of God you want me to let that lying devil have victory over my life! Would you be crystal clear on what I'm saying, if I said, I'm on my way to heaven, I hope I make it, this road is sure rough but I'll keep remembering all those who suffered before me. It was good enough for them, so it must be good enough for me, woe is me! Anyway back to our topic about paul's suffering; "Paul suffered beatings, shipwrecks, a stoning, sleepless nights,hunger, thirst, in cold and exposure [2 Cor.11:21-33]." In those days, they dug holes in the ground outside of the city. Whenever they were to stone someone, they would push the victim into the hole. Then, a crowd would gather around the hole and throw big rocks at the person's head, until they were certain that it was completely crushed. From biblical evidence, it seems that Paul was actually dead. The timing would be about 14 years before he was to write 2 Corinthians, which would make Acts 14 the time when he died and temporarily went to heaven to see the visions mentioned in 2 Corinthians 12:2-4. Then what happened? God raised Paul from the dead right on the spot and Paul marched right back into the same city! This is why Paul had an "infirmity of the flesh" – His skull had been crushed and he was walking around looking like that. So, instead of disproving the biblical teaching on healing, this passage in Galatians demonstrates God's supernatural healing and resurrection power. Paul was walking around supernaturally with this and many other injuries. I still have to explain the phrase "you would have plucked out your own eyes, and have given them to me" (v.15). From these words, people have concluded that Paul had an eye disease. This interpretation is both irresponsible and dishonest – it had extinguished many people's hope for receiving healing from God. "Would have plucked out your own eyes" is simply an expression! Just like a "thorn in the flesh" is an expression equivalent to a "pain in the neck." You want to know what Paul believed? He believed this: "But if the Spirit of him that raised Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you" (Romans 8:11). It happened to him time and time again. Now how bad can that be! |
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2 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | Reformer Joe | 68299 | ||
You wrote: 'I experienced sufferings, do you think for one moment that this is coming from God, and I should say "I'm suffering for God?"' I am afraid I am not clear on what you are trying to say here. Are you claiming that suffering has no purpose? Does God allow His people to suffer without reason? You also wrote: "In those days, they dug holes in the ground outside of the city. Whenever they were to stone someone, they would push the victim into the hole. Then, a crowd would gather around the hole and throw big rocks at the person's head, until they were certain that it was completely crushed." What is your source for this explanation of the stoning procedure? I have never heard it before. "From biblical evidence, it seems that Paul was actually dead." What biblical evidence. "The timing would be about 14 years before he was to write 2 Corinthians, which would make Acts 14 the time when he died and temporarily went to heaven to see the visions mentioned in 2 Corinthians 12:2-4." Many consider the visions Paul experienced to be linked to the moment of his conversion in Acts 9. Do you have any other biblical support that Paul actually died and paid a visit to heaven? Acts 14 says that they stoned Paul and THEN dragged him out of the city. Luke does not say that he was dead, but that the Jews SUPPOSED him to be dead. Then he uses the conjunction "but" at the start of verse 20 to point out not that Paul was resurrected, but rather that Paul hadn't died like the Jews had supposed. You wrote: 'Then what happened? God raised Paul from the dead right on the spot and Paul marched right back into the same city! This is why Paul had an "infirmity of the flesh" ? His skull had been crushed and he was walking around looking like that.' Would you mind sharing with us where you got this "explanation," and why you hold it to be so much more compelling than the "eye disease" explanation? Mind you, I am not saying that the "eye disease" folks have it right, but you are stringing a lot of distant passages together and giving (with a great deal of conviction) what is in reality an unlikely interpretation of Paul's stoning experience in Acts 14. "So, instead of disproving the biblical teaching on healing, this passage in Galatians demonstrates God's supernatural healing and resurrection power. Paul was walking around supernaturally with this and many other injuries." Except for that last one, I suppose... --Joe! |
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