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1 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | stjones | 67715 | ||
Greetings, Graceful; WRT to healing, it's also worthwhile to ask why Jesus healed the people he did. Was it to relieve their discomfort? Or was it to establish his identity and set an example of compassion and service? This is not the same as asking for "signs and wonders". In John 9, for example, when Jesus healed the man blind since birth. The man didn't even ask for healing; Jesus healed him anyway. Jesus' explanation - '"Neither this man nor his parents sinned," said Jesus, "but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life."' - says very clearly that his being born blind was God's will. Subsequent events make it even clearer that the purpose of the healing was to teach, not to make the man feel better (though I'm sure he did). The end result was a teaching about spiritual blindness that got the man thrown out of the temple! And was God's "failure" to relieve Paul of his thorn a cold refusal to heal him? Or was it, as Paul said, the means to show that God's grace is sufficient - not necessarily to heal, but to overcome? And why are there no examples of people coming to Jesus and asking for worldly wealth? Surely there was no shortage of greedy people; surely somebody would have taken a chance. Instead, Jesus preached freedom from the bondage of desiring worldly things. The problem with "name it and claim it" is that it is we who do the naming. It is we who decide what we want and what's best for us. This is not submitting our will to God's, it is turning God into a cosmic vending machine - one that doesn't even require a coin! It's not sufficient to claim that our will aligns with God's. To do so is to assert a perfection that humans cannot attain in this life. God's thoughts are not our thoughts; how shall we claim to think his thoughts after him? Job is great example. He was "blameless" in God's eyes, yet he suffered terribly. Yes, he was restored to health and wealth, but his first ten children remained dead. In fact, one of the clear messages of Job is that prosperity theology is wrong. Job's friends preached it to him and God was angry with them for doing so. We live in fallen bodies in a fallen world. Christians should understand that better than anybody. Acquiring health and wealth are cheap victories. Overcoming sickness and poverty and living a life pleasing to God in spite of them - this is the victory for which Jesus equips us. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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2 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | gracefull | 67984 | ||
Hi stones. This post will be brief but I would like to take a moment to acknowledge you post and purhaps address a couple of you statements. Why did Jesus heal? Was it to establish His identity and set an example of compassion and service? Let me ask you a question? Did sickness come as a result of the fall of man thus the entry of sin in the world? Does God make us sick? Is satan God's instrument of discipline? The question asked of Jesus was 'was this man blind because he was being punished for his own sins or did the punishment for the sins of the parents fall on this man? There is an Old Testament scripture that speaks of generational curses(which I am NOT discussing here) but where escapes me at the moment. Jesus said neither. But to say that this sickness was the will of God is a stretch. Let me give you what I hear in this scripture. This sickness is not a result of personal sin, nor is it a generational curse (parents sin visited on the children). IVP New Testament Commentaries "Jesus shifts the focus, and instead of addressing the cause of the man's blindness he speaks of the purpose: so thework of God might be displayed in his life. We should not be concerned with assigning blame. Trying to figure out the source of suffering in an individual's life is futile given our limited understanding, as the book of Job should teach us. Rather, here is one in whom Jesuscan manifest God's works and thus reveal something about God himself and his purpose on earth." Here Jesus is not by ant means saying the blindness is God's will, but is in fact saying he is a good oportunity for God's will to be demonstrated. I do not believe Paul's thorn in the flesh was a physical sickness, disease, or infirmity base on verses 9-11 and the term 'messenger from satan'. "Why were people not coming to Jesus to ask for worldly wealth?" The grouping of healing and prosperity in a thread is wrong. They are two seperate provisions with two entirely seperate set of rules. I have not seriously addressed it here and can not. It is too large a subject. "the problem with name it claim it is we do the naming". Nothing could be further from the truth. This offensive 'label' implies something trur WOF beliveres do not believe. We do not name it and claim anything, but listen to the Holy Spirit and the Word for direction for our personal lives (God's will) and begin to apply faith to the revealed direction of God for us personally. We do believe God reveals through our surrendered heart (spirit) his will for us. Others see this and resent it when they do not understand our "naming" is based on the revelation of the Spirit and our "claiming" is based on the fact that we can receive nothing from God apart from faith. (spiritual immaturity does not understand that to ask out of God's will which would be asking to consume on our own lusts or asking not in love, or just not being familiar enough with the Lord's voice. Health and wealth are cheap victories....How can you say that? Jesus bore our disease in his own body! And the wealth is sending the gospel around the world. The scripture indicate we are to press in, overcome.. In Jesus Satan killed Job's children and as far as I can see, we have been given authority over the works of satan. This is my understanding... In Jesus |
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3 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | EdB | 67991 | ||
Graceful Read Exodus 4:11 then read your answer here again. EdB |
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