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1 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | Hank | 67659 | ||
My dear EdB: Shiver my timbers, brother, but am I surprised at you! Don't you read your Bible? Don't you know that Genesis says that God created man in His own image, but that today human beings have become too smart to fall for that old tale? We have learned how to create God in OUR image, and that's exactly what many so-called churches who cater to the whims of so-called Christians do..... They make the old builders of the Tower of Babel look like rank amateurs. And, Ed, wist thou not that Jesus was filthy rich? He had His own private stockbroker, albeit a crooked one, Judas Iscariot (doesn't Iscariot mean stockbroker in Hebrew?), to manage his vast portfolio. Obviously He chose Matthew the tax collector as a buddy so that He could learn all the loop-holes in the tax law. And it is well documented in Holy Writ that Jesus had a large 20-bedroom villa on the shores of Lake Galilee, with a five-chariot garage and a color TV in every room. That robe of His that the Roman soldiers cast lots for, why that thing was easily worth several million dollars. It was studded with about ten pounds of diamonds, not to mention the rubies and pearls. .... And if God practices child abuse by letting little kids get sick and die, well, that's the way it goes when one subscribes to this wacky new theology. To sum up: Few times in my life have I read more sheer rubbish (your posts and certain others excluded, Ed) than I've read on this nutty thread. My father was fond of saying that both those who were clever enough and those who were stupid enough could twist Scripture into saying just about anything that struck their fancy. I do believe my dear old dad was right. --Hank | ||||||
2 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | Jesified | 67669 | ||
I apologize for not being 100 percent clear. Let me clarify what I've been saying because I know that this post was directed right at me. 1. Jesus was prosperous, not rich. He had the resources to provide for Himself and those around Him. However, it's not even remotely practical to think that He came down here and lived a lavish lifestyle when He could live comfortably and give to the poor. He had compassion on people (see Matthew 14:14, 15:32, 18:33). If Jesus had compasson but ignored the poor then how could John write verse 1 John 3:17? It doesn't click. Anyway, Jesus lived comfortably and gave to the poor. 2. Judas and Matthew were disciples, not stockbrokers, not inside contacts, disciples. Judas was in charge of the money, you can't deny that it says it in John 12:6. I recommend reading multiple translations of that verse because the KJV isn't as direct and obvious as most of the others. 3. Jesus had a house. The Bible doesn't say that Jesus had a mansion. If He did, which I highly doubt, He probably would have let the homeless stay in one of His 20 spare rooms and given them a chariot or two. Maybe even let them take one of those TVs when they felt they were ready to go out on their own. 4. Ok, the maybe the robe was valuable to the soldiers because they were poor. The point is not that it was gold plated and diamond encrusted, because it obviously wasn't. Isaiah 53:2 (best rendered in NIV) says that Jesus would look like your average Jew. I would say that His clothing would be part of His appearance, and lavish clothing would attract people. You can get a nice shirt at Wal-Mart for cheap (please don't assume that I'm saying Jesus shopped at Wal-Mart it's the principle that I'm trying to convey). I'm simply stating that Jesus did not wear a pauper's rags, but I'm not saying that He wore a golden raiment full of diamonds, rubies, and pearls. 5. In didn't say that God was abusing us by LETTING children become sick. I said God WOULD be guilty of child abuse (abusing us, His children) if He were the one who placed sickness and disease on us, which He doesn't for ANY reason. Your father is exactly right, anyone either clever or stupid enough can twist the Bible to mean whatever they want. However, you will see where the lies are when it comes to consistancy. If an interpretation is inconsistant, then either the circumstances of the two or more situations are different, or the interpretation is wrong. I honestly don't mean to argue. I just believe strongly in some of these truths. There's a saying, and I'm not sure where it comes from, but it reads, "When fishermen aren't fishing they're fighting." I take that to mean that if we become so focused on doctrine and principles we can forget that there's a world out there waiting to hear the gospel. With this in mind I advise everyone to search the Bible for their answers and to give them with love, keeping in mind that the purpose of this site is to ask and answer Bible questions. It is not a place for us to bicker and fight over our beleifs as many of us, myself included, are guilty of. I suggest that we each present what we believe to be the truth and if clarification is needed, or if you have a different view, then provide it. Let's try to concentrait more on what we agree with than what we don't, and put petty disputes behind us. Honestly, if Jesus was prosperous or poor, He still died for us. I think we need to keep our focus on Christ and the power of His perfect blood that redeemed us, not on arguing over technicalities. Jesified |
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3 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | Hank | 67672 | ||
I appreciate your note, its candor, and its lack of rancor. Perhaps you are very young; I suspect that you are. Let me, a much older person than you may be, suggest to you that one is not dealing in technicalities -- the word you used -- when he insists that the word of truth, the Bible, be handled accurately and interpreted properly and in its true context; when he insists that human speculation is vain and fruitless and dishonors God's word; when he engages in guesswork and detours from proper representation of what Scripture actually says, by adding flourish to the text or subtracting from it. It is of utmost importance to "be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing (lit. cutting straight) the word of truth." [cf. 2 Tim. 2:15]. It is hardly convincing when someone says things like... In my opinion... or The Bible says somewhere that... or to make any substantive statement in answer to a biblical question that he cannot fully back up with Scripture itself. Hence, the burden is on you, and on all of us who confess Christ as Lord, to be diligent indeed: to study, to pray, to ask the Spirit to shed more of His unerring light upon the unerring word of God. We cannot teach others unless we are willing to be taught. I think the spirit of cooperation and the notable lack of a mean spirit which you have shown in your posts, even though as you know I have disagreed vigorously with much of their substance, speaks well of you, and that you, with a heart and mind open to discovery of God's truth, will seek and will find it. God bless you and keep you ever under His wing. --Hank | ||||||