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1 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | Jesified | 67594 | ||
I agree that Isaiah 53 is in reference to spiritual healing. However, in verse 4 when it refers to our infirmites I think of physical ailment, which leads me to believe that it is also about physical healing. The same blood that was poured out for our sins was also for our physical healing. In reguards to Ex 21:24, that was part of the Law that was set up for government before the Messiah came. When Jesus died, He redemed us from the curse of the Law (Galatians 3:13). The Law is not just the 10 Commandments, it is the whole system that the Jews used to reconsile themselves to God. God has never changed how He deals with humanity, but He has clarified the basic element of how we are to deal with anything. The Law was put into effect so that we would have a model of how to deal with each other when situations arose because before Christ the Holy Spirit was not inside the Jews guiding them, so they needed a standard to refer to. Unfortunately, many Jews couldn't see that the central focus of the entire system was to walk in love, but that's a different subject. As for 2 Corinthians 12:7-9, Paul's thorn in the flesh is probably the most commonly misinterpreted subject in the Bible. When Paul says, "a thorn in the flesh," it is probably better translated to modern english as a "pain in the neck." There was a really good, in depth explanation of this on here the other day. If you can find it i suggest reading it, it's right on. Anyway, i'm not saying that Paul lacked faith. Paul's thorn, I believe, was the devil working so hard against him because Paul was doing the will of God. The devil won't persecute a spiritually lathargic Christian, he's got better things to do (such as causing dissention among those who ARE doing God's will). Finally, we need to define Biblical prosperity. Biblical prosperity is all of your needs being met with enough left over to put some extra in the offering with your tithe. Many times we confuse prosperity and wealth. Driving a Mercedes Benz, living in a big house, and wearing the finest clothes but not doing all you can for your brother or sister in Christ is not Biblical prosperity. Not to say that nice clothes, cars, and houses are wrong, but we must get our priorities straight. I don't believe that Jesus was wealthy, but I do believe that He was prosperous. Look at Matthew 9:13. If Jesus was not prosperous enough to feed Himself and the men who travled with him then how could the Pharasees say that the disciples never fasted. If He didn't have the money, then they would occasionally go without, which is not the case. Also, Jesus distinguishes Himself from the poor in Mark 14:7. Although I do agree that my reference in John 13 is an assumption, it is a logical course of reason. The Bible says to love thy neighbor, but does that mean that we stop with the house next to us? Of course not, you have to read into the intent of what the Holy Spirit is saying in these scriptures. I apologize if I have offended you, or come off as dogmatic, but I am simply trying to convey what I know to be the truth as best I can. Jesified |
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2 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | Reformer Joe | 67606 | ||
"I agree that Isaiah 53 is in reference to spiritual healing. However, in verse 4 when it refers to our infirmites I think of physical ailment, which leads me to believe that it is also about physical healing." Well, you thinking of it as something doesn't make it so. Peter in his reference to Isaiah 53 in his own epistle directly ties the healing to our sinful conditions, not to any diseases. You wrote: "In reguards to Ex 21:24, that was part of the Law that was set up for government before the Messiah came." Both Paul and James use the moral law as normative commandments for Christians, quoting the Decalogue verbatim (Ephesians 6 and James 2). You are correct that Jesus redeems us from the law's CURSE, but that does not liberate us from God's commandments to follow His moral will, which is summed up in the Ten Commandments, and even more succinctly in Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18. You wrote: "Finally, we need to define Biblical prosperity. Biblical prosperity is all of your needs being met with enough left over to put some extra in the offering with your tithe." If this is your view of what prosperity is, then we are closer than what I thought on our definitions. You must admit, however, that many of the more well-known, so-called "prosperity doctrine" preachers are not preaching having one's needs met, but rather having one's lusts fulfilled. "Look at Matthew 9:13. If Jesus was not prosperous enough to feed Himself and the men who travled with him then how could the Pharasees say that the disciples never fasted." Fasting is not simply going hungry. It is a spiritual activity of willful abstinence. This passage is in no way a commentary on Jesus' level of financial means. Jesus and the 12 were PROVIDED FOR. There is a difference between being the recipient of God's providence (often through the generosity of others) and having a huge bank account to finance Kingdom work. The epistle of James acknowledges that the church is made up of both rich and poor. Nowhere are the poor chastised for any supposed "lack of faith." The poor among us are an opportunity for God to be glorified by the generosity of His saints. One can very easily look at it this way: how can brotherly generosity on the part of the church of Jesus Christ be demonstrated if no one among God's people has a need? In the Bible, God reveals that ones needs are met through a variety of means other than "claiming a promise": WORK "He who steals must steal no longer; but rather he must LABOR, performing with his own hands what is good, so that he will have something to share with one who has need." --Ephesians 4:28 THE GENEROSITY OF OTHER CHRISTIANS "and when I was present with you and was in need, I was not a burden to anyone; for when the brethren came from Macedonia they fully supplied my need, and in everything I kept myself from being a burden to you, and will continue to do so."--2 Corinthians 11:9 "for even in Thessalonica you sent a gift more than once for my needs." --Philippians 4:16 I believe Paul nails the coffin of prosperity doctrine shut with one of the most famous passages in Scripture, demonstrating clearly that our material needs are not always what we think them to be: "Not that I speak from want, for I have learned to be content in whatever circumstances I am. I know how to get along with humble means, and I also know how to live in prosperity; in any and every circumstance I have learned the secret of being filled and going hungry, both of having abundance and suffering need. I can do all things through Him who strengthens me." --Philippians 4:11-13 Where is Paul's reliance upon being prosperous? He says that he has learned, as a CHRISTIAN, to be content without it, in suffering from NEED and being in HUMBLE MEANS. The Christian life is NOT a ticket to material Easy Street, or Paul just didn't get it like you do. --Joe! |
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3 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | Jesified | 67615 | ||
I think that you're exactly right when you say that us as Christians glorify God through giving to the poor. I'd love to see the world without poverty though. I don't think God wants anyone to suffer lack, the problem is that so often, our theology is so far of to one extremity or the other that we miss the basic point. God does not want His children to suffer a lack, the fact that there are poor among us just shows how we as Christians get too concerned with other things and forget to preach the gospel and love our neighbor. For example, in the Dark Ages, the Church of the was so concerned with protecting it's doctrine that not one missionary was sent out. It's sad to think of the number of souls that were lost due to the Church's preoccupation with technicalities and lack of love. Jesified |
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