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1 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | gracefull | 67546 | ||
A good place to start a study on this would be tostudy the gospels, Matthew-John. Look up in your concordance every scripture on 'heal, healing, infirmity, sickness, disease'. If you can find even ONE where Jesus told someone who came to him for healing that it was God's will for them to remain sick for awhile, or God wanted to use their sufferings to compel someone to salvation, or that the devil had authority to make them sick and there was nothing he could do. I would like to hear what you find. Jesus said I came to do the will of my Father. He said that if we have seen him, we have seen the Father. So Jesus was the physical manifestation of the will of God. The scripture arguments that poverty and sickness are training tools of God, to me, are unconvincing. Study both sides of the argument and then go into the presence of God for the revealed truth of His word. God bless |
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2 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | BradK | 67561 | ||
Dear graceful, Here are some thoughts I've arrived at in my study of your question. I'll preface it by saying that I do not believe it wrong for a believer to to succeed or prosper financially or physically. It goes to motive. Are we seeking God to guide and direct our efforts according to Proverbs 3:5-6? With that said, Is it God's will always for prosperity and healing? I would answer no. Consider John 6: 28-29. 28 Therefore they said to Him, “What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.” The case you stated from the Gospels "might" appear to support such a claim, however, I believe the whole of scripture does not. We need to look at the purpose of such healings which I see are found in John 4:48 "So Jesus said to him, “Unless you people see signs and wonders, you simply will not believe.” The Apostle Paul echos this in 1 Cor.1:21. We must also look at Paul, the author of roughly one-half on the NT. How can we overlook the plain statement in 2 Cor. 12:7-9? 7 Because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, for this reason, to keep me from exalting myself, there was given me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to torment me—to keep me from exalting myself! 8 Concerning this I implored the Lord three times that it might leave me. 9 And He has said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness.” Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me." If God's will is to always heal, why was Paul allowed this "thorn in the flesh"? (cf. 1 Tim.5:23, 2 Tim 4:20) Most difficult of all is to ignore the precedent to Pauls' "thorn in the flesh" in 2 Cor.11:23-33. 23 Are they servants of Christ?—I speak as if insane—I more so; in far more labors, in far more imprisonments, beaten times without number, often in danger of death. 24 Five times I received from the Jews thirty-nine lashes. 25 Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, a night and a day I have spent in the deep. 26 I have been on frequent journeys, in dangers from rivers, dangers from robbers, dangers from my countrymen, dangers from the Gentiles, dangers in the city, dangers in the wilderness, dangers on the sea, dangers among false brethren; 27 I have been in labor and hardship, through many sleepless nights, in hunger and thirst, often without food, in cold and exposure. 28 Apart from such external things, there is the daily pressure on me of concern for all the churches. 29 Who is weak without my being weak? Who is led into sin without my intense concern? 30 If I have to boast, I will boast of what pertains to my weakness. 31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, He who is blessed forever, knows that I am not lying. 32 In Damascus the ethnarch under Aretas the king was guarding the city of the Damascenes in order to seize me, 33 and I was let down in a basket through a window in the wall, and so escaped his hands. To consider, how was Paul prospering in this very clear scenario? What of his hardships, were they not allowed by a sovereign God to produce perseverance,character, and hope? (Rom.5:3-4). This example of Paul seems to be conveniently overlooked or completely ignored by proponents of the Health and Wealth gospel! It doesn't fit that theology. My conclusion is this: God is sovereign and He can and will do His will! Not MY will but "thine be done". I do not see prosperity as a guarantee, nor healing as normative. It's been said God doesn't give us what we want, but rather what we need.(Prov. 30:8) Speaking the Truth In Love, BradK |
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3 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | gracefull | 67568 | ||
Hi Brad.. In addressing a question like this the first response to the question of God's will on a subject is go to the word on that subject. Motive or intent of the heart is very important in receiving any promise from God. Also our faith in His faithfulness to His promise is critical to receive, and our understanding of who we are in Jesus. The maturing process brings us more in line with God's will and His promises. John 4:48 You view this as Jesus doing signs and wonders to 'PROVE' himself. There are many scriptures that indicate Jesus did nothing to 'PROVE'. Notice in this text Jesus is asked to 'come down and lay his hands on the son'. The sign here is coming down, and Jesus did not go, but he did heal. Now look at the other scriptures where this is stated -signs and wonders or just seeks a sign- and you will find in each case Jesus refuses to give the sign.(here is no exception) To ask God for a sign is to tempt Him. Jesus healed because it is God's will and he healed out of compassion. Yes it is correct to study a subject from the entire Bible, but a good place to start is the new covenant, just as we usually direct a newborn believer to John to study the new birth. Healing and prosperity of any kind are not to prove God is God but simply from His grace provided through Jesus. Does that better explain my understanding? If my will and His will are the same He will do my will. His word is His will so if my will lines up with His word as revealed by His Spirit I am in His will and can ask what I will(because it is His will) and it shall be done for me of my Father. 1John 5:14 It is okey if you believe otherwise. Something else I believe is that the Holy Spirit is given to teach each of us as He wills and none of us will believe the same things. But I also believe ithis forum encourages various understandings. So we would have a much more growth oriented forum hear if snide or inflamatory remarks were excluded from the posts and respect could be shown for each other. In Jesus In Jesus |
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4 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | BradK | 67577 | ||
Dear Graceful, I appreciate your remarks and would in general concur with your thoughts. I'm curious and would hope to clarify your statement "So we would have a much more growth oriented forum hear if snide or inflamatory remarks were excluded from the posts and respect could be shown for each other." I would totally agree with you! I'm trusting that this was a general observation and not in response to something I wrote? If it is, please accept my apology. By my response I was in no way attempting to knowingly be snide or inflammatory. Speaking the Truth In Love, BradK |
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5 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | gracefull | 67965 | ||
Statements like "Health and Wealth gospel". The reason this is wrong is because this statement implies absolute error when the fact is you just don't accept the teachings of others on this subject. That does not mean conclusively that you are correct. Your conclusions in fact may be incorrect. Others visiting should not be intimidated into not posting their understanding and maybe even revelations by such "labels". Yours was mild compared to some I received, and I respect your right to disagree. I expect the same respect. I have "labeled" no one's belief in such a manner. Thank you for asking. This demonstrates a genuine concern for others. New comers who do not have my strength of conviction on certain issues will run from this forum if they feel attacked for what they believe, rather than feeling encouraged to stay and discuss, learn AND teach. We could all be blessed by a less defensive attitude and a more gentle, humble spirit in our posts. God bless! |
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6 | Is God's will prosperity/healing always? | Rom 8:28 | EdB | 67988 | ||
Graceful Please read this not as an attack but rather, I pray, as effort to help to you. The reason it is called the Health and Wealth gospel is that the premise of it is basically wrong. The teaching has been labeled cultic or false by every major denomination and organization. The Assemblies of God went as far as writing a white paper detailing the error in the teaching. Organizations that are involved in Biblical or Christian apologetics have labeled it either false or cultic. It flies in the face of traditional Christianity, if flies in the face of early Christians that lived in poverty died wretched deaths in an effort to preserve and protect Christianity. It flies in the face of Jesus’ teaching especially Matt 19:16-26. It flies in the face of reality. All of us unless the rapture comes first are going to die from some disease. Is this to say I deny healing? Absolutely no! Healing is very much a part of the New Covenant and we must have faith to obtain it 1 John 5:14 . Is it guaranteed? No it is according to the sovereign will of God Romans 8:28 Ephes. 1:11 Should we seek it? Yes James 5:14 clearly teaches us to seek healing. Does the word promise us riches? No it promises us God will provision us Phil 4:19 and cautions us in Romans 13:14 to put away all the lust of the flesh. See the disagreement with the health and wealth teaching is more than a disagreement with something we don’t believe in. It is a disagreement with something that Bible teaches is wrong. We are to be seeking Jesus not health or wealth of anything this world has to offer. We are to be like Abraham seeking a better place that it a heavenly home. Hebrew 11:13-16 Written with the hope that eyes will be opened. EdB |
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