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1 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | Morant61 | 56806 | ||
Greetings the Bible is Right! 1) Your challenge then is to present a single Bible verse which commands a person to be baptized within a certain time frame! Notice that I said 'commands', not simply records a baptism taking place quickly. If you can do that, then I will agree with you that a person must be baptized immediately after conversion. 2) You said: "God can save us any way He chooses, and by the words of Jesus God chose baptism as part of his plan, John 12:50; Matt 21:24,25 and it is impossible for God to lie." Yet, none of the verses you list for support say that baptism is part of God's plan for salvation. Why did Jesus ask the Pharisee's about John's baptism? Verses 25 and 26 provide the answer. Jesus had asked them a question which they could not honestly answer. If they said from heaven, then why didn't they believe John. If they said from man, then the crowd would get them. Nothing in this passage supports the view that baptism is necessary for salvation. 3) From God or man? Wasn't the Law also from God? By your reasoning, since the Law was from God, then obedience to it should have been necessary for salvation. 'Works' in the New Testament is simply synonymous with anything done to 'earn' salvation - 'anything'. In other words, a 'work' is something 'done'. Anything which MUST be DONE to be saved is a 'work' and thus is ruled out by Scripture as something which is necessary for salvation. So, if baptism is something which we must 'do', then it is a work. All you have done my friend is the same thing that the Judaizers in Paul's day did. You even use the same arguments as they used. But, instead of circumscision, you are promoting baptism as necessary for salvation. They argued the same way: "Circumscision is from God", "We must be obedient to God to be saved", and "Our obedience demonstrates our faith." Yet, Paul consistently argued that they were adding works to salvation. So are you my friend. You are quite simply preaching another gospel which isn't a gospel at all. You are adding things which we must do to be saved. By doing so, we get to earn our salvation through our obedience to this or that command. But, this is contrary to everything the New Testament says. Trust in God alone my friend. His grace is sufficient. We don't need to go through live being afraid of whether or not we have been good enough or whether or not we have followed every rule exactly, because our salvation is not based on, earned by, nor kept because of anything we DO. It is all based upon what Christ did - ALONE! Having said all of this, I am not saying that baptism is unimportant. It is one of many things which we have been commanded as Christians to do because we are saved. It just doesn't save us, nor is it necessary for salvation. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | The Bible is Right | 56996 | ||
Let's first take your last statement, "It is one of many things which we have been commanded as Christians to do because we are saved." 1)You must first show me scripture were it says we are christians before we are baptized into Christ. "'Works' in the New Testament is simply synonymous with anything done to 'earn' salvation - 'anything'. In other words, a 'work' is something 'done'. Anything which MUST be DONE to be saved is a 'work' and thus is ruled out by Scripture as something which is necessary for salvation. So, if baptism is something which we must 'do', then it is a work." In your above statement you said any thing done is a "work" and therefore has nothing to do with our salvation. I would have you to know "faith" is a "work" John 6:28,29 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the work of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that you believe on him whom he sent. Here Jesus said "faith" is a work, Now where is our salvation? Then you must prove that baptism in water is a work, the bible never place baptism in that category. |
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3 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | Morant61 | 57050 | ||
Greetings The Bible is Right! Your first question is tricky for one simple reason - most do not believe that water baptism is what the Bible is refering to when it speaks of being baptized into Christ. So, I'm assuming that you are asking if there is any Scripture which says that one is a Christian before they are baptized in water. Yes, there are! a) Acts 10 is a perfect example. These individuals believed and received the gift of the Holy Spirit just as Acts 2:38 says. Then, they were baptized because they had already been saved. By the way, if Acts 2:38 is teaching that baptism is necessary to receive 'remission of sins' and 'the gift of the Holy Spirit', why did these people in Acts 10 received the 'gift of the Holy Spirit' prior to their being baptized? I have already shown why the command 'to be baptized' is a parenthetical statement and cannot be grammatically associated with the promises of forgiveness of sins and the reception of the gift of the Holy Spirit, but Acts 10 is further practical proof. b) Paul is asked specifically what one must do to be saved, and guess what (Acts 16:31)? Baptism is not mentioned in Paul's answer. c) How about Rom. 10:9 and 10:13? It says that those who believe and call upon the Lord are saved, but no mention of baptism! 2) Faith: Actually, your point about faith makes my case and not yours. The Jews believed that they could earn their salvation and they wanted to know what they had to "do" to please God. Jesus' answer was that they only had to 'believe'. 3) Baptism a work or not? Anything we have to 'do' to be saved is a work - that's what the word means. And, Eph. 2:8-9, Rom. 4, and Gal. 2 are all clear that nothing we 'do' can save us or plays any part in our salvation. The thing that cracks me up about this whole topic is that if you are correct then God gave woefully inadequate answers in literally hundreds of verses. Rom. 10:9 is wrong, if you are correct. Rom. 10:13 is wrong, if you are correct. Eph. 2:8-9 are wrong, if you are correct. Acts 16:31 is wrong, if you are correct. And, the list could go on and on. Simply put, there are hundreds of verses which say that all that is required for salvation is that we believe and there are none that say we must be baptized to be saved. Fortunately, the Bible is Right! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | mbooker | 57053 | ||
Good morning Brother Tim I wanted to let you know that I am printing out this post and will go thru each scripture and study them. The more that I read these posts in conjunction with the Word, the more I believe 'by grace am I saved through faith and that not of myself. It is the gift of God, not of works, lest I should boast.' Thanks so much for sharing. Abba Father bless you... :) |
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5 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | Morant61 | 57054 | ||
Good Morning Brother! It is always a joy to share God's Word! :-) I shared with my Sunday Class the other day that I was receiving a real education from this forum. I never realized how many people still believe that we can earn our salvation or must work to keep it. The Good News of the Gospel is that we can't and that we don't! Jesus paid it all and did it all. We only have to believe! May your study be blessed by God! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | mbooker | 57055 | ||
Brother Tim *I say as I laugh* That's 'Good Morning Sister'!! LOL Once before on this forum, someone addressed me as 'brother'. I guess I need to start signing my name huh? Bless you again brother :) Your sister in Christ Meredith |
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7 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | Morant61 | 57057 | ||
Greetings Sister Meredith! Oops! Did I do that? :-) That is one of the few problems with a forum like this - I can't see who I am interacting with! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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