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1 | Is God somehow responsible? | Rom 1:20 | John Reformed | 70218 | ||
Hi Tim 1) John 17:9 has nothing to do with atonement or the extent of atonement. Jesus simply says that He is praying for His disciples and not the world. Context says it has everything to do with atonement. John 17:20 "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word 2) Eph. 5:25 - If Christ died for all, then obviously He died for the parts as well. So, it could be said to even one individual that Christ died for 'you', but that does not mean that Christ therefore did not die for anyone else. So, it does not logically follow from the statment that Christ gave Himself for the church that He therefore did not actually give Himself for those who are not currently part of the church. You are partially. The elect are the church past, present and future. But there is no support for Christ's dieing for the sake of the reprobate (those whom God has witheld saving grace). Grace never fails and those whom God bestows it upon always will come to Him. 3) Mt. 26:28 seems to be your best 'proof'. However, even it falls apart when we read other passages where 'many' clearly means 'all'. In Romans 5:15 did only 'some' die because of sin, or did 'all' die because of sin? In Rom. 5:19, were only 'some' made sinners, or were 'all' made sinners? It is interesting how this arguement about many and all can be flipped when it defends one's position. Please bring this to attention od EdB and Hank :-) Concerning John 3:16, there is nothing in the verse to indicate that Christ's death is limited to only those who believe. The construction is that "He died for the world, that those who believe...". Neither does it support unlimited atonement. I must stop for now. John |
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2 | Is God somehow responsible? | Rom 1:20 | Hank | 70235 | ||
John Reformed: Your comment to Tim Moran: "It is interesting how this argument about many and all can be flipped when it defends one's position. Please bring this to the attention of EdB and Hank." In the first place, let not those who live in glass houses cast stones. From day one you have defended your Calvinist views on this forum. You have put down as error and unscriptural any views that differ from your Calvinist views. We all of us are quite well aware of your views, having seen them voiced repeatedly. Not all of us who believe the word of God and profess Christ subscribe to Calvinism or think we need to in order to be His disciples. In the face of pressure exerted by your peers on this forum and by Lockman's expressed position that pushing one's doctrinal agenda excessively is not in the best interests of this forum, you continue to do so. I consider it patently unnecessary and undesirable to suggest in a side-bar remark to another user of this forum that he bring this matter to my attention. I am most confident that Tim has the good sense and judgment to act on his own, and will indeed act on his own as he sees fit, without your having to point out to him that he should bring this matter or any other matter to my attention. If your remark was meant to be humorous or cute, in my estimation it missed the mark and was neither. --Hank | ||||||
3 | Is God somehow responsible? | Rom 1:20 | Morant61 | 70238 | ||
Attention Hank! Oops! Too late! ;-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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