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1 | Is God somehow responsible? | Rom 1:20 | Morant61 | 70237 | ||
Greetings Emmaus! I'm not sure I follow your question completly, but if I am on the right track I would say that there is no necessary connection. I reject double predestination, but I do accept extrinsic justification. So, I don't see that either is necessary for the other. Maybe you can clarify your question for me! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Is God somehow responsible? | Rom 1:20 | Emmaus | 70244 | ||
Tim, Can extrinsic grace elevate a man to the ability to make a truly free choice or does that require intrinsic grace? If grace is extrinsic it does not really change the man's nature but only covers the dung hill. Whereas intrinsic grace transforms fallen man. Personally, I can't see how extrinsic grace can be sanctifying if it is truly extrinsic since sanctifications would seem to be something intrinsic. Emmaus |
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3 | Is God somehow responsible? | Rom 1:20 | Morant61 | 70314 | ||
Greetings Emmaus! Thanks for clarifying your question my friend! I quess I would respond in two ways! First of all, I'm not one who really believes that the Bible teachs that man lost the ability to make a free choice. Secondly, I think most Protestants would say that extrinsic (or forensic) grace is only one side of the coin. We see several works of God in salvation, one being justification and one being sanctification. So, to use your terminology, justification would be the extrinsic aspect of salvation, while sanctification would be the intrinsic aspect of salvation. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Is God somehow responsible? | Rom 1:20 | Emmaus | 70321 | ||
Tim, Thank you for your response. I think that man makes a free choice, but that is made possible by an actual rather than sanctifying grace. Actual grace being a grace given for a specific purpose, but not necessarily sanctifying, such as the gift given to Balaam to prophesie. And of course where I come from we hold justifying grace and sanctifying grace to be the same and to be infused(intrinsic) as well as forensic(extrinsic). It just seems to me that when grace is extrinsic there is a certain logic that leads to the even the most extreme Calvinist position as found in Barth. In my neck of the wood we hold that God predestines (but not to damnation)and man makes a truly free choice, but that how those two actually interact is a mystery. There seems to be something about the Calvinist position that disdains the mystery and has to explain everything in this context by the logic of man. Which is not to say they do not acknowledge the mystery of God Himself, but that they seem phobic about admitting any mystery in the this particular(predestination / free will)context. What is lacking in the Protestant mileu is an authoritative Church voice to say "Enough already! It's a mystery!" Would you guys like to borrow a Pope of a Council? :-) Emmaus |
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5 | Is God somehow responsible? | Rom 1:20 | Morant61 | 70325 | ||
Greetings Emmaus! :) We could elect a Forum Pope! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | Is God somehow responsible? | Rom 1:20 | CDBJ | 70334 | ||
Tim, now you are even getting my interest up with that statement. We could elect a Forum Pope! I more or less stay out of the A and C debate as much as possible because neither one has ever been proven, or this debate wouldn’t even be going on. The idea of a Forum Pope might work though and just think of all the money the forum could make charging for each post? Do you think though that after a while we would quit using the Bible as our source of information and guide and depend on him for truth and guidance: we could call it excaforum. |
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