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1 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | The Bible is Right | 57023 | ||
"Wasn't the Law also from God? By your reasoning, since the Law was from God, then obedience to it should have been necessary for salvation" Yes the Law was from God, But He replace the Law of Moses with the Law of Christ. The Law of Christ is for Salvation. Yes, Christ has a Law Gal.6:2. Heb.7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. Heb.8:6-13 vs.6"a better covenant,which was established upon better promises. vs.7 For if that first covenant had been faultess, then should no place have been sought for the second. vs.8 For finding fault with them, he saith, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will Make a New Covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: vs.13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. "Nothing in this passage supports the view that baptism is necessary for salvation." This baptism that John preached was "for the remission of sins" Just like the one Peter preached. Is remission of sins Salvation? Both were commanded By God. Mark 1:4, Acts 2:38. " 1) Your challenge then is to present a single Bible verse which commands a person to be baptized within a certain time frame! Notice that I said 'commands', not simply records a baptism taking place quickly. If you can do that, then I will agree with you that a person must be baptized immediately after conversion." Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. These are commands, but I know you will try to change them into something else, but you cannot deny that both of these are commands. If Baptism was not apart of salvation why would Paul ask this question in Acts 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were you baptized? Sense salvation is in the name of Jesus Christ Acts 4:12 Neihter is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Baptism is not mentioned in this text, but the name of Jesus is, and the power in the name, which means "by the authority of Jesus Christ" And when you said that baptism is not for salvation, you are saying that the name of Jesus Christ has no authority. Matt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All Power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 God ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. This to is a command from the "Master" Jesus Christ himself. Question: If Baptism is in the name of Jesus, and if one get's baptized in the name of Jesus doesn't that equal salvation? Acts 4:12 Your answer to the above question should set the record straight. If the bible is right, and it is, you shouldn't question the word of God about baptism, just except it, God said it's for the remission of sins, in the name of Jesus Christ. |
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2 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | Morant61 | 57046 | ||
Greetings The Bible is Right! Good morning my friend! Allow me to touch upon your points! 1) Law: The reason I brought up the Law being from God is because in your post you seemed to be implying that baptism came from God but the law was from man. Yet, both are from God and neither one saves. 2) For the remission of sins: I have posted on this point many times, but I will touch upon it yet again! :-) a) Acts 2:38 - The singular command 'be baptized' cannot be grammatically connected to the plural phrase 'for the remission of sins'. Thus, it is repentance only which leads to the remission of sins, not baptism. The command to be baptized in Acts 2:38 is a parenthetical statement concerning something which those who have already been saved should then do. b) Mark 1:4 - The following point can be applied to Acts 2:38 as well. The preposition 'eis' indicates the reason for the baptism, not the result of the baptism. An illustration of this is found in Mt. 12:41. The people repented 'eis' the preaching of Jonah. Jonah did not preach because they repented, but they repented because he preached. In the same way, people should be baptized because their sins have been forgiven, but their sins are not forgiven because they are baptized. 3) Commanded in a certain time frame: The verses you listed do contain commands to be baptized, but they do contain a command to be baptized within a specified time frame. No one doubts that Christians are commanded to be baptized. However, you have contended that we must be baptized within the hour. The verses you quoted do not contain any such command. 4) Acts 19:3: This one is simple. The 'disciples' in Acts 19 had not even heard about Christ or the Holy Spirit. Paul was simply finding out how much or how little they knew. But, the lack of baptism was not their problem. Their problem was they had not been instructed about Christ. Let me turn your question around. If baptism is a necessary part of salvation, why did Paul say in 1 Cor. 1:17 that Christ did not send him to baptize but to preach the gospel? 5) Acts 4:12: You can't really be serious with this question! Jesus also told us to pray in His name. So, does praying equal salvation. Acts 4:12 says nothing at all about baptism. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | The Bible is Right | 57140 | ||
It is evident you do not believe that baptism is for the remission of sins. This is my last post on this subject. I also noticed that the majority of the forum believe the same as you do on this subject. I will make this last statement: (no responce please) Matt 7:13-14 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. When we look at the thread on baptism which gate did You enter? |
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