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1 | Isn't this verse saying that we rise to | Rom 6:4 | Morant61 | 56191 | ||
Greetings The Bible is Right! May I respectfully disagree with the following statement? "If we look at this text in it context, we will see the steps that lead to a new life." The last phrase does not decribe the end result of a process (i.e. - baptism produces new life), but rather is describes the kind of life we should life as a result of what Christ has done for us in salvation. The whole context of the passage concerns a believers relationship to sin. The question is asked over and over again, "How can we who have died with and been raised with Christ continue to live in sin?" So, Rom. 6:4 is not saying that baptism produces new life. It is saying that we were buried with Him so that we could live a different kind of life - one in which we are no longer slaves to sin. The verb 'walking' is used three other times in Romans and they also all refer to the kind of life we are to live as Christians, not to the New Birth. 1) Rom. 8:4 - "in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not LIVE according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit." 2) Rom. 13:13 - "Let us BEHAVE decently, as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy." 3) Rom. 14:15 - "If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer ACTING in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died." So, Rom. 6:4 is not teaching that we are saved by being baptized. It is simply teaching that the truths behind baptism mandate a new kind of life, not one ruled by sin, since we are supposed to have died to sin. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Isn't this verse saying that we rise to | Rom 6:4 | The Bible is Right | 56200 | ||
"So, Rom. 6:4 is not saying that baptism produces new life. It is saying that we were buried with Him so that we could live a different kind of life - one in which we are no longer slaves to sin." Your above statement happen's at conversion, and that's what I'm saying, when we come up out of the water, we are no longer a slave to sin. Our sins have been washed away. Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord. This verse verified what Paul says in Rom 6:4, let the bible give the answer. "The bible is right". This is very certain, someone who has not been baptized can do nothing with this text, for sure! And I have heard of people waiting days, weeks, and months to be baptized. And that for sure is wrong according to the bible! Some people would say that a person is saved without being baptized. But from the day of Pentecost until now the bible would not agree with them. |
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3 | Isn't this verse saying that we rise to | Rom 6:4 | Morant61 | 56202 | ||
Greetings Bible is Right! I am amazed at the number of people who get on the forum and try to make baptism a requirement for salvation. You wrote: "Some people would say that a person is saved without being baptized. But from the day of Pentecost until now the bible would not agree with them." Yet, when Paul was asked what a person must do to be saved, he said: "...‘‘Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”" Acts 16:31. Other Scriptures make the same point. 1) John 1:12 - "Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—" 2) John 3:15 - " that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life. 16 ‘‘For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." 3) John 3:18 - "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son." 4) John 3:36 - "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him.”" 5) John 5:25 - "‘‘I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life." 6) John 6:29 - "Jesus answered, ‘‘The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.” " 7) John 6:35 - "Then Jesus declared, ‘‘I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty." 8) John 6:40 - "For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.”" 9) John 6:47 - "I tell you the truth, he who believes has everlasting life." 10) Acts 10:43 - "All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”" 11) Acts 13:39 - "Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses." 12) Romans 1:16 - "I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile." 13) Rom. 3:22 - "This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference," 14) Rom. 10:9 - "That if you confess with your mouth, ‘‘Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." And, we could go on and on. However, all of these verses are clear that the only requirement for salvation is faith. An excellent example is the believers in Acts 10, who were filled with the Holy Spirit (thus saved), before they were baptized. So, the Bible commands us to be baptized, just as it commands us to: love one another, pray for one another, assemble together, be witnesses, ect.... However, none of these 'works' save us. They are things we do because we are saved, not thing which save us. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Isn't this verse saying that we rise to | Rom 6:4 | The Bible is Right | 56208 | ||
"Yet, when Paul was asked what a person must do to be saved, he said: "...‘‘Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”" Acts 16:31." I notice that you close the book after reading Acts 16:31, if you continue to read you will find the "real" answers, let's look and see. Acts 16:32-34, And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. Question: was anything mentioned about baptism in the message? Let's see the responce. vs. 33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; And was Baptized, He and All His, straightway. Question: Why do you leave this information out of the answer to the Jailers question? (Acts 16:32-33) What are you hiding? When dealing with the question of salvation, we should aways give All of the information that the bible gives, because the Bible is Right! "1) John 1:12 - "Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—" " Key word in this text is (become) Jesus said in John 3:5 you Must be born of the water and the Spirit to enter into the kingdom of God. And, we could go on and on. However, all of these verses are clear that the only requirement for salvation is faith. An excellent example is the believers in Acts 10, who were filled with the Holy Spirit (thus saved), before they were baptized. I notice you incerted the words (thus saved), but there are eight other conversions in Acts that didn't happen the same way as Acts 10 so I believe that this conversion is something that God was telling Peter and the Jewest brothers about the Gentiles, which is a whole subject by itself. I can tell you this, I'm not saying that baptism all by itself saves anyone, but (through Faith) along with blief, repentance, and confessing Jesus Christ name saves a person. "love one another, pray for one another, assemble together, be witnesses, ect.... However, none of these 'works' save us. They are things we do because we are saved, not thing which save us." None of these but one (be witnesses) were in the Great commission to the apostles. When we start at the beginning when Jesus told his apostles to go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit: You will not fall into the trap of thinking that baptism in not neccessary for salvation. Examine the Great commissions it will become clear. Then look at the first sermon on the day of Pentecost, and the answer to the question Men and bretheren what shall we do? I read a post that was written to grace and truth, and it said that no one on this forum had changed their minds about (being saved by grace through faith only) I thought that was sad, because if it was a matter of eternal life and I found out I was wrong about something in Gods word I would change in a flash. Life is to short to play games with God's word. |
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5 | Isn't this verse saying that we rise to | Rom 6:4 | Morant61 | 56214 | ||
Greetings the Bible is Right! 1) Does Acts 16 mention baptism? Yes, of course is does. The normal routine was for someone who had been saved to obey the command of Christ and be baptized. However, in Paul's response about what one must DO to be saved, baptism is noticebly absent! So, am I hiding something? No! :-) But, Paul never said that the jailer must be baptized to be saved did he! 2) What about John 3:5? This has been dealt with many times, but John 3:5 never mentions baptism. It does mention being born of water, but this is explained in the very next birth as being physical or natural birth. 3) You say that baptism alone does not save, but Scripture does say that faith alone saves (Eph. 2:8-9) and Scripture explictly rules out any role of works in salvation. The good news my friend is that we can't nor need to do anything to be saved. I don't know why so many keep trying to add something to free grace! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | Isn't this verse saying that we rise to | Rom 6:4 | The Bible is Right | 56237 | ||
Now to rightly handle scripture, you must go by the results and outcome of the whole story, let's look, verse 32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. What do we learn here, Paul and Silas spoke unto them the Word of the Lord, What words, did they tell them to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of there sins? I believe that's exactly what they were told, Acts 2:38, 8:35-39. "But, Paul never said that the jailer must be baptized to be saved did he!" If Paul or Silas spake the word of the Lord, they were told to repent and be baptized, because that's what the Lord said to do Acts 2:38; 8:35-39 "What about John 3:5? This has been dealt with many times, but John 3:5 never mentions baptism. It does mention being born of water, but this is explained in the very next birth as being physical or natural birth." Tell me please, that you don't believe John 3:5 is talking about "phyiscal or natural birth" because Nicodemus brought that up in verse 4 when he said "How can a man be born when he is old? can be enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? So for anyone to believe that is verse 5 is talking about phyisical or natural birth are wrong, wrong, wrong. And the Bible is right! "3) You say that baptism alone does not save, but Scripture does say that faith alone saves (Eph. 2:8-9) and Scripture explictly rules out any role of works in salvation." The bible talks about three kinds of faith, and for anyone to believe that faith alone saves, have very weak faith. Strong faith produces action, and all who heard the gospel obeyed what they heard and the Lord added them to the church. Eph.2:6 says he raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: vs. 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. If you can prove with the bible that this verse is talking about baptism I would believe it! The text does not say, Faith alone! All those in this church were baptized into Christ. |
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