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1 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | The Bible is Right | 56776 | ||
Good morning Tim, That's if you're on the east coast. If we just took Acts 2:41 all by itself, the bible tells us that three thousand people were baptized in one day, we know by the number of people that had to take a long time to baptize all of them, but the bible tells us that they were baptized that same day. That give us an idea what it was like with John the Baptist in Matt 3:5,6 Then Jerusalem and all of Judea and all the regions about the Jordan went out to him. 6 And were immersed (baptized) in the Jordan River by him confessing their sins. The bible gives us a pattern, from the time of John through the book of Acts. This is why I asked why do people take baptism in water lightly? It was so important, that Jesus asked a question to the cheif priest and elders about John's baptism, he ask was it from heaven or of men? But they refused to answer him openly, they reasoned among themselves, and said if we say from heaven, then he will say why didn't you believe him? And if we say of men, the people will stone us. Matt 21:24,25 When I studied this, then I understood that water baptism must be very important, and more important than we know. That's why I believe it is also of the grace of God. When the bible said not of works lest any man should boast. I took a deep look at what that means, not of man's own righteousness or of the Law of Moses. Then I asked where did baptism come from? It came from God, man had nothing to do with it. God can save us any way He chooses, and by the words of Jesus God chose baptism as part of his plan, John 12:50; Matt 21:24,25 and it is impossible for God to lie. |
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2 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | Morant61 | 56806 | ||
Greetings the Bible is Right! 1) Your challenge then is to present a single Bible verse which commands a person to be baptized within a certain time frame! Notice that I said 'commands', not simply records a baptism taking place quickly. If you can do that, then I will agree with you that a person must be baptized immediately after conversion. 2) You said: "God can save us any way He chooses, and by the words of Jesus God chose baptism as part of his plan, John 12:50; Matt 21:24,25 and it is impossible for God to lie." Yet, none of the verses you list for support say that baptism is part of God's plan for salvation. Why did Jesus ask the Pharisee's about John's baptism? Verses 25 and 26 provide the answer. Jesus had asked them a question which they could not honestly answer. If they said from heaven, then why didn't they believe John. If they said from man, then the crowd would get them. Nothing in this passage supports the view that baptism is necessary for salvation. 3) From God or man? Wasn't the Law also from God? By your reasoning, since the Law was from God, then obedience to it should have been necessary for salvation. 'Works' in the New Testament is simply synonymous with anything done to 'earn' salvation - 'anything'. In other words, a 'work' is something 'done'. Anything which MUST be DONE to be saved is a 'work' and thus is ruled out by Scripture as something which is necessary for salvation. So, if baptism is something which we must 'do', then it is a work. All you have done my friend is the same thing that the Judaizers in Paul's day did. You even use the same arguments as they used. But, instead of circumscision, you are promoting baptism as necessary for salvation. They argued the same way: "Circumscision is from God", "We must be obedient to God to be saved", and "Our obedience demonstrates our faith." Yet, Paul consistently argued that they were adding works to salvation. So are you my friend. You are quite simply preaching another gospel which isn't a gospel at all. You are adding things which we must do to be saved. By doing so, we get to earn our salvation through our obedience to this or that command. But, this is contrary to everything the New Testament says. Trust in God alone my friend. His grace is sufficient. We don't need to go through live being afraid of whether or not we have been good enough or whether or not we have followed every rule exactly, because our salvation is not based on, earned by, nor kept because of anything we DO. It is all based upon what Christ did - ALONE! Having said all of this, I am not saying that baptism is unimportant. It is one of many things which we have been commanded as Christians to do because we are saved. It just doesn't save us, nor is it necessary for salvation. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | christian7 | 56809 | ||
may I tip my hat to you Tim...an excellent post... God Bless | ||||||
4 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | Morant61 | 56811 | ||
Greetings Christian7! If I tip my hat, my bald spot shows! ;-) Thank you though my friend! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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