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1 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | kalos | 56832 | ||
Is baptism needed for salvation? Part Two "In Acts 2:38, Peter appears to link forgiveness of sins to baptism. But there are at least two plausible interpretations of this verse that do not connect forgiveness of sin with baptism. It is possible to translate the Greek preposition eis "because of," or "on the basis of," instead of "for." It is used in that sense in Matthew 3:11; 12:41; and Luke 11:32. It is also possible to take the clause "and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ" as parenthetical. Support for that interpretation comes from that fact that "repent" and "your" are plural, while "be baptized" is singular, thus setting it off from the rest of the sentence. If that interpretation is correct, the verse would read "Repent (and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ) for the forgiveness of your sins." Forgiveness is thus connected with repentance, not baptism, in keeping with the consistent teaching of the New Testament (cf. Luke 24:47; John 3:18; Acts 5:31; 10:43; 13:38; 26:18; Ephesians 5:26). "Mark 16:16, a verse often quoted to prove baptism is necessary for salvation, is actually a proof of the opposite. Notice that the basis for condemnation in that verse is not the failure to be baptized, but only the failure to believe. Baptism is mentioned in the first part of the verse because it was the outward symbol that always accompanied the inward belief. I might also mention that many textual scholars think it unlikely that vv. 9-20 are an authentic part of Mark's gospel. We can't discuss here all the textual evidence that has caused many New Testament scholars to reject the passage. But you can find a thorough discussion in Bruce Metzger, et al., A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament, pp. 122-128, and William Hendriksen, The Gospel of Mark, pp. 682-687. "Water baptism does not seem to be what Peter has in view in 1 Peter 3:21. The English word "baptism" is simply a transliteration of the Greek word baptizo, which means "to immerse." Baptizo does not always refer to water baptism in the New Testament (cf. Matthew 3:11; Mark 1:8; 7:4; 10:38-39; Luke 3:16; 11:38; 12:50; John 1:33; Acts 1:5; 11:16; 1 Corinthians 10:2; 12:13). Peter is not talking about immersion in water, as the phrase "not the removal of dirt from the flesh" indicates. He is referring to immersion in Christ's death and resurrection through "an appeal to God for a good conscience," or repentance. "I also do not believe water baptism is in view in Romans 6 or Galatians 3. I see in those passages a reference to the baptism in the Holy Spirit (cf. 1 Corinthians 12:13). For a detailed exposition of those passages, I refer you to my commentaries on Galatians and Romans, or the tapes of my sermons on Galatians 3 and Romans 6. "In Acts 22:16, Paul recounts the words of Ananias to him following his experience on the Damascus road: "Arise, and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name." It is best to connect the phrase "wash away your sins" with "calling on His name." If we connect it with "be baptized," the Greek participle epikalesamenos ("calling") would have no antecedent. Paul's sins were washed away not by baptism, but by calling on His name. "Baptism is certainly important, and required of every believer. However, the New Testament does not teach that baptism is necessary for salvation." (http://www.gty.org/IssuesandAnswers/archive/baptism.htm) ************* While I may respond to your posts, this thread, When does newness of life start? (?) The Bible is Right Sat 07/27/02, 12:12am, has already run way too long. I suggest that if there are subtopics to be discussed, then another thread should be started. This is what I *suggest*. What I intend to *do* is not post any more replies to the current thread due to the excessive length of it. |
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2 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | rferg | 56869 | ||
One thing is for sure, John the Baptist, Jesus, the apostles and disciples (witnesses) "preached the gospel of Christ" and this gospel they preached lead people who believed to repent and be baptized immediately. The question is what was the "gospel of Christ" they preached? Is this same gospel being preached to the lost in churches today? Read every example from Matthew through the book of Acts and the simple minded (those of us who arn't scholars)will get a clear picture that when they heard the gospel and believed they were baptized immediately. | ||||||
3 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | kalos | 56886 | ||
Question: "The question is what was the "gospel of Christ" they preached?" An answer: 1 Cor. 15:1-4 (ESV) Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, [2] and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you— unless you believed in vain. [3] For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, [4] that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, 'If baptism were necessary for salvation, we would expect to find it stressed whenever the gospel is presented in Scripture. That is not the case, however. ... 'Paul never made baptism any part of his gospel presentations. In 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Paul gives a concise summary of the gospel message he preached. There is no mention of baptism. In 1 Corinthians 1:17, Paul states that "Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel," thus clearly differentiating the gospel from baptism. That is difficult to understand if baptism is necessary for salvation. If baptism were part of the gospel itself, necessary for salvation, what good would it have done Paul to preach the gospel, but not baptize? No one would have been saved. Paul clearly understood baptism to be separate from the gospel, and hence in no way efficacious for salvation' (http://www.gty.org/IssuesandAnswers/archive/baptism.htm). |
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4 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | rferg | 56991 | ||
I know what the "Gospel of Christ" is. I said how many pastor's are preaching it in churches today because the gospel that was preached then, lead people to repent and be baptized in water. Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were three thousand souls add unto them. I don't think there is any argument when they heard the gospel they repented and were baptized because it was part of the process, or God (who is very systematic)wouldn't have one example after another from Matthew through Acts. You are using one scripture by itself to make a point, which is not uncommon. In 1:17 Cor. Paul was making a point and it started up in 1:11 there were contentions among them. They were saying I am of Paul and I am of Apollos and I am of Cephas and I of Christ. Paul asked if Christ was divided? Was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Galus; Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other (in that area). 17 For Christ sent me not to baptized, but to preach the gospel: not with widseom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. The point Paul was making is that Paul was not crucified for them but Christ was and they were not baptized in the name of Paul, but Christ. It wasn't important who was doing the baptizing. Paul was sent to preach the gospel and he probably had disciples there doing the baptizing. They didn't need to be divided among themselves. When Jesus in John 322-23 Jesus was preaching the gospel and his disciples were doing the baptizing. |
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5 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | kalos | 57003 | ||
Even if you knew what you were talking about, I would not quibble with you over this. Believe whatever you want to. You will anyway. Just don't try to pass off your opinion as fact. | ||||||
6 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | rferg | 57009 | ||
I know that people repented and were baptized when they heard the "gospel of Christ" preached because the bible tells me so. I know when I watch Christian TV or listen to Christian Radio not to mention all the church services I have sat through the entire gospel is not preached including baptism and if it not preached it is not heard and if it is not heard how can one make a clear decision? So what don't I know??? The bible is our example!!! | ||||||
7 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | kalos | 57022 | ||
"In 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Paul gives a concise summary of the gospel message he preached. There is no mention of baptism." ------------- You claim: "the entire gospel is not preached including baptism." 1 Cor. 15:1-4 (ESV) Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, [2] and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you— unless you believed in vain. [3] For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, [4] that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, 'If baptism were necessary for salvation, we would expect to find it stressed whenever the gospel is presented in Scripture. That is not the case, however. ... 'Paul never made baptism any part of his gospel presentations. In 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Paul gives a concise summary of the gospel message he preached. There is no mention of baptism. ... Paul clearly understood baptism to be separate from the gospel, and hence in no way efficacious for salvation' (http://www.gty.org/IssuesandAnswers/archive/baptism.htm). |
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8 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | rferg | 57035 | ||
In 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Paul in speaking to the bretheren (saved), , I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also you have received (already received), and where in you stand (I take this to mean they have already "believed" were baptized and now they are believers (belonging to the family of God). 2By which also you are saved (already baptized, born again, saved), if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless you have "believed" in vain.3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scripture. 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.5 And that he (Jesus) was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve. The reason baptism is not mention is because Paul is speaking to the brethern, believers, born again already. |
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9 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | kalos | 57049 | ||
So you are saying that when Paul defined the gospel in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, he omitted baptism because "Paul is speaking to the brethern, believers, born again already"? If that is so, then why does Paul bother to define the gospel at all? After all, he was speaking to believers and, according to your logic, they would already know the definition of the gospel. This statement of yours makes less sense than anything you've said yet. |
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