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1 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | The Bible is Right | 56776 | ||
Good morning Tim, That's if you're on the east coast. If we just took Acts 2:41 all by itself, the bible tells us that three thousand people were baptized in one day, we know by the number of people that had to take a long time to baptize all of them, but the bible tells us that they were baptized that same day. That give us an idea what it was like with John the Baptist in Matt 3:5,6 Then Jerusalem and all of Judea and all the regions about the Jordan went out to him. 6 And were immersed (baptized) in the Jordan River by him confessing their sins. The bible gives us a pattern, from the time of John through the book of Acts. This is why I asked why do people take baptism in water lightly? It was so important, that Jesus asked a question to the cheif priest and elders about John's baptism, he ask was it from heaven or of men? But they refused to answer him openly, they reasoned among themselves, and said if we say from heaven, then he will say why didn't you believe him? And if we say of men, the people will stone us. Matt 21:24,25 When I studied this, then I understood that water baptism must be very important, and more important than we know. That's why I believe it is also of the grace of God. When the bible said not of works lest any man should boast. I took a deep look at what that means, not of man's own righteousness or of the Law of Moses. Then I asked where did baptism come from? It came from God, man had nothing to do with it. God can save us any way He chooses, and by the words of Jesus God chose baptism as part of his plan, John 12:50; Matt 21:24,25 and it is impossible for God to lie. |
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2 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | kalos | 56780 | ||
Is baptism needed for salvation? Part One Is baptism necessary for salvation? "No. Let's examine what the Scriptures teach on this issue: "First, it is quite clear from such passages as Acts 15 and Romans 4 that no external act is necessary for salvation. Salvation is by divine grace through faith alone (Romans 3:22, 24, 25, 26, 28, 30; 4:5; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8-9; Philippians 3:9, etc.). "If baptism were necessary for salvation, we would expect to find it stressed whenever the gospel is presented in Scripture. That is not the case, however. Peter mentioned baptism in his sermon on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:38). However, in his sermon from Solomon's portico in the Temple (Acts 3:12-26), Peter makes no reference to baptism, but links forgiveness of sin to repentance (3:19). If baptism is necessary for the forgiveness of sin, why didn't Peter say so in Acts 3? "Paul never made baptism any part of his gospel presentations. In 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Paul gives a concise summary of the gospel message he preached. There is no mention of baptism. In 1 Corinthians 1:17, Paul states that "Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel," thus clearly differentiating the gospel from baptism. That is difficult to understand if baptism is necessary for salvation. If baptism were part of the gospel itself, necessary for salvation, what good would it have done Paul to preach the gospel, but not baptize? No one would have been saved. Paul clearly understood baptism to be separate from the gospel, and hence in no way efficacious for salvation. "Perhaps the most convincing refutation of the view that baptism is necessary for salvation are those who were saved apart from baptism. We have no record of the apostles' being baptized, yet Jesus pronounced them clean of their sins (John 15:3--note that the Word of God, not baptism, is what cleansed them). The penitent woman (Luke 7:37-50), the paralytic man (Matthew 9:2), and the publican (Luke 18:13-14) also experienced forgiveness of sins apart from baptism. "The Bible also gives us an example of people who were saved before being baptized. In Acts 10:44-48, Cornelius and those with him were converted through Peter's message. That they were saved before being baptized is evident from their reception of the Holy Spirit (v. 44) and the gifts of the Spirit (v. 46) before their baptism. Indeed, it is the fact that they had received the Holy Spirit (and hence were saved) that led Peter to baptize them (cf. v. 47). "One of the basic principles of biblical interpretation is the analogia scriptura, the analogy of Scripture. In other words, we must compare Scripture with Scripture in order to understand its full and proper sense. And since the Bible doesn't contradict itself, any interpretation of a specific passage that contradicts the general teaching of the Bible is to be rejected. Since the general teaching of the Bible is, as we have seen, that baptism and other forms of ritual are not necessary for salvation, no individual passage could teach otherwise. Thus we must look for interpretations of those passages that will be in harmony with the general teaching of Scripture. With that in mind, let's look briefly at some passages that appear to teach that baptism is required for salvation." (to be continued) (http://www.gty.org/IssuesandAnswers/archive/baptism.htm) (ID# 26724) |
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3 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | The Bible is Right | 56830 | ||
1.)It is true that Peter did not say anything about being baptized in his sermom, and it is also true that no one believed his sermon in chapter 3, you will find the answer in chapter 4 verse 1-3, Peter and John were put in prison for preaching the Resurrection of Jesus and of the dead. 2.) If you want to know what Paul did in his preaching of the gospel you must go to the book of Acts. In Acts 16:8-40, you can learn what Paul preached. Vs.14 Ana a woman named Lydia from Thyatira, a dealer in purple who worshiped God listened; whose heart the Lord opened to heed the things Spoken by Paul. Vs 15 After she and her household had be immersed, (baptized) she implored ud saying, If you judge me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house and abide; and she insisted that we stay. Then later in the chapter vs.30-34 And after he brought them out he said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you and your household Shall be saved. 32 And They Spoke the Word of the Lord To Him, Together with All Who were in His House. 33 And He took them the Same Hour of the Night and Wash their Wounds, And Immediately He Himself Was Immersed, (Baptized) and All of His Household. 34 And he brought them into the house and set food before them; and he and all his household Rejoiced, having Believed in God. This is what the bible saids about what Paul did when he preached the gospel. This also let me know that what he wrote in the letters to the church he was not Saying that Baptism into Christ was works of men. AScts 18:5-8 But after Silas and Timothy came down from Macedonia Paul gave himself wholly to the Word; testifying to the Jews that Jesus is the Christ. 6 But when they set themselves in opposition against Paul, he shook off his garments and said to them, Your blood be upon your own head; I am clean. Now I go to the Gentiles. 7 So he departed from there and went into the house of a certain man named Justus, who worshiped God; whose house was next to the synagogue. 8 But Crispus, the ruler of the synagogue, believed in the Lord with all his household; and Many of the Corinthians, after the Heard, Believed and were Immersed,(Baptized). Asts 19:1-5 1 It was while Apollos was in Corinth that Paul, having passed through the upper part, came Ephesus and found certain disciples. 2 He said to them, Did you receive the Holy Spirit after you believed? But they said to him, We never even heard that there is a Holy Spirit. 3 And he said, Into what then were you immersed (Baptized)? And they said, Into the Immersion of John. 4. But Paul said, John immersed with an Immersion of repentance; saying to the people that they should believe in him who was coming after him, that is in Jesus. 5. Now after they heard this they were immersed (Baptized) into the name of the Lord Jesus. This is what Paul Preached. 3. The Law of Jesus Christ started after the ascension. Gotta go for now talk to you later. |
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4 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | kalos | 56832 | ||
Is baptism needed for salvation? Part Two "In Acts 2:38, Peter appears to link forgiveness of sins to baptism. But there are at least two plausible interpretations of this verse that do not connect forgiveness of sin with baptism. It is possible to translate the Greek preposition eis "because of," or "on the basis of," instead of "for." It is used in that sense in Matthew 3:11; 12:41; and Luke 11:32. It is also possible to take the clause "and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ" as parenthetical. Support for that interpretation comes from that fact that "repent" and "your" are plural, while "be baptized" is singular, thus setting it off from the rest of the sentence. If that interpretation is correct, the verse would read "Repent (and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ) for the forgiveness of your sins." Forgiveness is thus connected with repentance, not baptism, in keeping with the consistent teaching of the New Testament (cf. Luke 24:47; John 3:18; Acts 5:31; 10:43; 13:38; 26:18; Ephesians 5:26). "Mark 16:16, a verse often quoted to prove baptism is necessary for salvation, is actually a proof of the opposite. Notice that the basis for condemnation in that verse is not the failure to be baptized, but only the failure to believe. Baptism is mentioned in the first part of the verse because it was the outward symbol that always accompanied the inward belief. I might also mention that many textual scholars think it unlikely that vv. 9-20 are an authentic part of Mark's gospel. We can't discuss here all the textual evidence that has caused many New Testament scholars to reject the passage. But you can find a thorough discussion in Bruce Metzger, et al., A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament, pp. 122-128, and William Hendriksen, The Gospel of Mark, pp. 682-687. "Water baptism does not seem to be what Peter has in view in 1 Peter 3:21. The English word "baptism" is simply a transliteration of the Greek word baptizo, which means "to immerse." Baptizo does not always refer to water baptism in the New Testament (cf. Matthew 3:11; Mark 1:8; 7:4; 10:38-39; Luke 3:16; 11:38; 12:50; John 1:33; Acts 1:5; 11:16; 1 Corinthians 10:2; 12:13). Peter is not talking about immersion in water, as the phrase "not the removal of dirt from the flesh" indicates. He is referring to immersion in Christ's death and resurrection through "an appeal to God for a good conscience," or repentance. "I also do not believe water baptism is in view in Romans 6 or Galatians 3. I see in those passages a reference to the baptism in the Holy Spirit (cf. 1 Corinthians 12:13). For a detailed exposition of those passages, I refer you to my commentaries on Galatians and Romans, or the tapes of my sermons on Galatians 3 and Romans 6. "In Acts 22:16, Paul recounts the words of Ananias to him following his experience on the Damascus road: "Arise, and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on His name." It is best to connect the phrase "wash away your sins" with "calling on His name." If we connect it with "be baptized," the Greek participle epikalesamenos ("calling") would have no antecedent. Paul's sins were washed away not by baptism, but by calling on His name. "Baptism is certainly important, and required of every believer. However, the New Testament does not teach that baptism is necessary for salvation." (http://www.gty.org/IssuesandAnswers/archive/baptism.htm) ************* While I may respond to your posts, this thread, When does newness of life start? (?) The Bible is Right Sat 07/27/02, 12:12am, has already run way too long. I suggest that if there are subtopics to be discussed, then another thread should be started. This is what I *suggest*. What I intend to *do* is not post any more replies to the current thread due to the excessive length of it. |
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5 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | rferg | 56869 | ||
One thing is for sure, John the Baptist, Jesus, the apostles and disciples (witnesses) "preached the gospel of Christ" and this gospel they preached lead people who believed to repent and be baptized immediately. The question is what was the "gospel of Christ" they preached? Is this same gospel being preached to the lost in churches today? Read every example from Matthew through the book of Acts and the simple minded (those of us who arn't scholars)will get a clear picture that when they heard the gospel and believed they were baptized immediately. | ||||||
6 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | kalos | 56886 | ||
Question: "The question is what was the "gospel of Christ" they preached?" An answer: 1 Cor. 15:1-4 (ESV) Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, [2] and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you— unless you believed in vain. [3] For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, [4] that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, 'If baptism were necessary for salvation, we would expect to find it stressed whenever the gospel is presented in Scripture. That is not the case, however. ... 'Paul never made baptism any part of his gospel presentations. In 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Paul gives a concise summary of the gospel message he preached. There is no mention of baptism. In 1 Corinthians 1:17, Paul states that "Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel," thus clearly differentiating the gospel from baptism. That is difficult to understand if baptism is necessary for salvation. If baptism were part of the gospel itself, necessary for salvation, what good would it have done Paul to preach the gospel, but not baptize? No one would have been saved. Paul clearly understood baptism to be separate from the gospel, and hence in no way efficacious for salvation' (http://www.gty.org/IssuesandAnswers/archive/baptism.htm). |
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7 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | rferg | 56991 | ||
I know what the "Gospel of Christ" is. I said how many pastor's are preaching it in churches today because the gospel that was preached then, lead people to repent and be baptized in water. Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were three thousand souls add unto them. I don't think there is any argument when they heard the gospel they repented and were baptized because it was part of the process, or God (who is very systematic)wouldn't have one example after another from Matthew through Acts. You are using one scripture by itself to make a point, which is not uncommon. In 1:17 Cor. Paul was making a point and it started up in 1:11 there were contentions among them. They were saying I am of Paul and I am of Apollos and I am of Cephas and I of Christ. Paul asked if Christ was divided? Was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Galus; Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other (in that area). 17 For Christ sent me not to baptized, but to preach the gospel: not with widseom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. The point Paul was making is that Paul was not crucified for them but Christ was and they were not baptized in the name of Paul, but Christ. It wasn't important who was doing the baptizing. Paul was sent to preach the gospel and he probably had disciples there doing the baptizing. They didn't need to be divided among themselves. When Jesus in John 322-23 Jesus was preaching the gospel and his disciples were doing the baptizing. |
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8 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | kalos | 57003 | ||
Even if you knew what you were talking about, I would not quibble with you over this. Believe whatever you want to. You will anyway. Just don't try to pass off your opinion as fact. | ||||||
9 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | rferg | 57009 | ||
I know that people repented and were baptized when they heard the "gospel of Christ" preached because the bible tells me so. I know when I watch Christian TV or listen to Christian Radio not to mention all the church services I have sat through the entire gospel is not preached including baptism and if it not preached it is not heard and if it is not heard how can one make a clear decision? So what don't I know??? The bible is our example!!! | ||||||
10 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | kalos | 57022 | ||
"In 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Paul gives a concise summary of the gospel message he preached. There is no mention of baptism." ------------- You claim: "the entire gospel is not preached including baptism." 1 Cor. 15:1-4 (ESV) Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, [2] and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you— unless you believed in vain. [3] For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, [4] that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, 'If baptism were necessary for salvation, we would expect to find it stressed whenever the gospel is presented in Scripture. That is not the case, however. ... 'Paul never made baptism any part of his gospel presentations. In 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Paul gives a concise summary of the gospel message he preached. There is no mention of baptism. ... Paul clearly understood baptism to be separate from the gospel, and hence in no way efficacious for salvation' (http://www.gty.org/IssuesandAnswers/archive/baptism.htm). |
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11 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | rferg | 57035 | ||
In 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Paul in speaking to the bretheren (saved), , I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also you have received (already received), and where in you stand (I take this to mean they have already "believed" were baptized and now they are believers (belonging to the family of God). 2By which also you are saved (already baptized, born again, saved), if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless you have "believed" in vain.3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scripture. 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.5 And that he (Jesus) was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve. The reason baptism is not mention is because Paul is speaking to the brethern, believers, born again already. |
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12 | What if you don't obey that command? | Rom 6:4 | kalos | 57049 | ||
So you are saying that when Paul defined the gospel in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, he omitted baptism because "Paul is speaking to the brethern, believers, born again already"? If that is so, then why does Paul bother to define the gospel at all? After all, he was speaking to believers and, according to your logic, they would already know the definition of the gospel. This statement of yours makes less sense than anything you've said yet. |
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