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1 | NIV bible | Bible general Archive 2 | CDBJ | 110585 | ||
Hi Tim, My mistake on your behalf about the quotes! When I have both you and Ed barking at my heels I get a little mixed up. Most believers assume we won’t go through the great tribulation because we, as believers won’t suffer the wrath of God. But if in fact the tribulation is the wrath or vengeance of satin and not God then that puts a whole new slant on things. I agree that Christ was talking to Jews and about Jerusalem but these are the signs that will determine when the deceiver will reveal himself. When satin can’t get at the Jews he will go for the next best thing, believers in Jesus. Rev. 12:13-16 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 15And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 16And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. A small portion of the Jews will be protected in a place of safety and this will infuriate satin and the believers in Christ will be next on the list. Rev. 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. The faith of many believers will be shaken to it’s very foundation because they have been taught that they wouldn’t have to go through such treatment and there will be a great departing from the faith. The only thing that will stop the brutal treatment of believers will be the return of Christ at the rapture. Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. The last 3 ½ years of Jacob’s trouble will continue but the tribulation for believers will end because the object of satin’s vengeance, the believers, will be removed. The Lord will retaliate against the ones that have been causing us all the trouble as soon as we are removed from the action. 2 Thes. 1:4-6 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: 5Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: 6Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; Paul goes on further to describe when this retaliation form the Lord will take place and it sure sounds like the rapture to me. It appears like God will do two things at once, take us out and pour out his wrath on those that are left. 2 Thes. 1:7-9 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; Notice the timing! 2 Thes. 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day. I firmly believe that the Day of the Lord and the rapture will be one and the same day just as it was in the days of Noah and the days of Lot, and this isn’t what my church teaches either! Luke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? Sorry about getting hackles up, CDBJ |
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2 | NIV bible | Bible general Archive 2 | Morant61 | 110586 | ||
Greetings CDBJ! No hackles my friend! I was just having a little fun with you! :-) I didn't think that I had quoted anyone! :-) I basically agree with you. I think that the first 3 1/2 years will be a time of tribulation for Jews and believers, and that the last 3 1/2 years will be a time of God's judgement being poured out upon an unbelieving world. I just happen to believe that Luke 21:22 refers to God's justice, not to Satan's wrath. |
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