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1 | NIV bible | Bible general Archive 2 | CDBJ | 110506 | ||
Hi TommyS, The translation that Taleb used is one that is used quit a lot now days, I call it the Koine English, and it is known as the NLT or New Living Translation. It is very enjoyable for just reading but it’s accuracy lacks in my opinion. It is used to reach a lot of young people though and it seems to be real effective. CCBJ |
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2 | NIV bible | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 110516 | ||
CDBJ I have found that the NLT is excellent for people where English is their second language, older people whose minds are on the edge of confusion, People with rather low reading skills, youth and children, I often use it as with adults many times they think it to be my comments clarifying a passage. I also use it as a commentary myself because many times it does clarify the meaning of a passage. While it is not a word for word translation I find it to be a very literal translation accurately conveying the idea of the original. In other words if I was going to say what the writer said I would probably say it like the NLT does. I have a very dear friend what ministers to mild stage Alzheimer patients. The NLT has been a blessing to him helping him reach these dear people with the truth of the Gospel. He has been able to make inroads that the Alzheimer ‘experts’ deem as impossible. He actually holds a regular church service each week and around Christmas and Easter does a very intricate and demanding cantata using the patients. The first year he planned this the facility told him it would be a utter failure, however that was 5 years ago and each year gets better. Patients, staff and general public now attend to hear the beautiful singing. He contributes much of his success to the NLT and being able to get God’s word into the confused minds. Truly like a balm the word goes in and does not return void but brings change in the minds of the listeners. I have read the Bible through at least twice using the NLT and the only verse I don’t like how they translated is Psalm 116:15. NKJV Psalm 116:15 Precious in the sight of the Lord Is the death of His saints. NLT Psalm 116:15 The Lord's loved ones are precious to him; it grieves him when they die. This verse of course is used many times in funerals. EdB |
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3 | NIV bible | Bible general Archive 2 | CDBJ | 110542 | ||
Hi EdB, Check out the following in the NLT, it isn't even close to conveying what the Greek says. Luke 21:22 NLT For those will be days of God's vengeance, and the prophetic words of the Scriptures will be fulfilled. Nowhere in that verse, in the Koine Greek, is the word Theos , or God, used. The reign and rule of the antichrist is predicted in Scripture and I think that is the period of time referred to in Luke 21:22. In my estimation the exact opposite is in view in this verse and I think it parallels Rev. 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. I think that these verses, in Luke, are warning to believers of the terrible times that will be taking place at the hand of antichrist. If that is the case the translation could have been written as follows. For these be the days of the devils vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. Can you see what I am trying to say? The translators of the NLT in this incidence are trying to introduce their concept instead of conveying what the Koine Greek actually said! 1 Thes. 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. My two cents worth, CDBJ |
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4 | NIV bible | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 110549 | ||
CDBJ I don't see a problem. I have always read this as a time of God's vengeance. God is in control His will is done he allowing his unwitting agent the Antichrist to carry it out. God speaking through his prophets has told us would allow His pestilence to be poured out on this earth. Your right this is the Antichrist but it is still God’s vengeance allowing the Antichrist to afflict a world controlled by sin. Therefore to me NLT is just connecting the dots that existed already. EdB |
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5 | NIV bible | Bible general Archive 2 | CDBJ | 110551 | ||
Hi EdB, Using your scool of thought then, I guess you could say that all of the sin in the world is God's sin also because he let it happen? NOT!! I have to disagree, CDBJ |
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6 | NIV bible | Bible general Archive 2 | EdB | 110557 | ||
CDBJ Wow! That is sure jumping on me. Please reread what I said. I don't think I anything I said could be construed as saying the "sin in the world is God's." To check what I said I went to MacArthur and his is commentary on the is verse. "21:22 vengeance. I.e., God’s righteous retribution against sin." MacArthur, J. J. (1997, c1997). The MacArthur Study Bible (electronic ed.) (Lk 21:22). Nashville: Word Pub. I also checked some others commentary 21:22 days of vengeance: Jerusalem had become an object of divine judgment because of its unfaithfulness. Jesus warned of this consequence throughout His ministry (13:9, 34, 35; 19:41–44). The premise for such judgment goes back to the curses of the Mosaic covenant and the Old Testament prophets’ warnings of coming judgment (see Deut. 28:49–57; 32:35; Jer. 6:1–8; 26:1–9; Hos. 9:7). Radmacher, E. D. (1997). The Nelson study Bible : New King James Version. Includes index. (Lk 21:22). Nashville: T. Nelson Publishers. And this excerpt out of the Preachers Outline and Sermon Bible. Judgment— End Time: the sign of Jerusalem being surrounded will be a time of vengeance. Note two points. 1. “The days of vengeance” will be the fulfillment of Scripture, the days of God’s wrath God had been patient and long-suffering with Israel for generations, in fact, from the very beginning of their history. But Israel had always rejected God’s pleadings. Therefore, the predicted judgment had to fall. What Israel had sown was to be reaped. 2. The terrible desolation that took place upon Jerusalem and that is to take place at the end of the world—all the desolation—is due to sin. Jerusalem committed the most heinous sin in human history: the people rejected God for centuries and eventually killed God’s very own Son. Therefore, Jerusalem was utterly destroyed. Thought 1. There is a severe warning here for believers and nations. Sin results in desolation. Rejection of God’s Son will bring judgment upon any person and any nation of people. The Preacher’s Outline and Sermon Bible and other Outline Bible Resources are printed and published by Leadership Ministries Worldwide, an interdenominational ministry serving the whole body of Christ. Also checking with Matthew Henry I find he also agrees but his answer is so long I thought I would spare everyone and not copy it here. I give you four trusted works that seem to confirm the vengeance spoken about in Luke 21:22 is indeed God’s and all the NLT did was voice this. I would like to think this was all a misunderstanding and you that you know me well enough to know I would never blame the sin of the world on God. EdB |
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7 | NIV bible | Bible general Archive 2 | CDBJ | 110579 | ||
Hi EdB, I guess that did come across kind of strong, sorry about that but the way you took it isn’t exactly what I meant! You stated, “Your right this is the Antichrist but it is still God’s vengeance allowing the Antichrist to afflict a world controlled by sin.” I don’t see it as God’s vengeance. Now how do we go about proving our points? Is God’s wrath evil or Good, from what you are affirming, with connection to this period of time in question? Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. If this period, call the tribulation, is from God then is the great flood that destroyed the earth, which was an act of God, not taken into consideration? I am saying that it will be the greatest attack of satanic effect and influence that believers will ever see and it is not the vengeance of God because believers will not suffer God's wrath. The next thing that usually comes up is that Christ was only talking to the Jews, but what about the same thing taught in II Thes buy Paul to the church. 2 Thes. 2:3-5 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? If believers aren’t going to be here for this evil action why does Paul waste his breath teaching it and telling us not to let anyone deceive us?? I know you and Tim have many people that you have quoted from and they also use to say that 150,000 thousand Frenchmen couldn’t be wrong too, but they were! Next, CDBJ |
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8 | NIV bible | Bible general Archive 2 | Morant61 | 110583 | ||
Greetings CDBJ! Hey! Whom did I quote? ;-) By the way, I do believe that Christians will be here for tribulation, but not for God's wrath. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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9 | NIV bible | Bible general Archive 2 | CDBJ | 110585 | ||
Hi Tim, My mistake on your behalf about the quotes! When I have both you and Ed barking at my heels I get a little mixed up. Most believers assume we won’t go through the great tribulation because we, as believers won’t suffer the wrath of God. But if in fact the tribulation is the wrath or vengeance of satin and not God then that puts a whole new slant on things. I agree that Christ was talking to Jews and about Jerusalem but these are the signs that will determine when the deceiver will reveal himself. When satin can’t get at the Jews he will go for the next best thing, believers in Jesus. Rev. 12:13-16 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 15And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 16And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. A small portion of the Jews will be protected in a place of safety and this will infuriate satin and the believers in Christ will be next on the list. Rev. 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. The faith of many believers will be shaken to it’s very foundation because they have been taught that they wouldn’t have to go through such treatment and there will be a great departing from the faith. The only thing that will stop the brutal treatment of believers will be the return of Christ at the rapture. Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. The last 3 ½ years of Jacob’s trouble will continue but the tribulation for believers will end because the object of satin’s vengeance, the believers, will be removed. The Lord will retaliate against the ones that have been causing us all the trouble as soon as we are removed from the action. 2 Thes. 1:4-6 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: 5Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: 6Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; Paul goes on further to describe when this retaliation form the Lord will take place and it sure sounds like the rapture to me. It appears like God will do two things at once, take us out and pour out his wrath on those that are left. 2 Thes. 1:7-9 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; Notice the timing! 2 Thes. 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day. I firmly believe that the Day of the Lord and the rapture will be one and the same day just as it was in the days of Noah and the days of Lot, and this isn’t what my church teaches either! Luke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? Sorry about getting hackles up, CDBJ |
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10 | NIV bible | Bible general Archive 2 | Morant61 | 110586 | ||
Greetings CDBJ! No hackles my friend! I was just having a little fun with you! :-) I didn't think that I had quoted anyone! :-) I basically agree with you. I think that the first 3 1/2 years will be a time of tribulation for Jews and believers, and that the last 3 1/2 years will be a time of God's judgement being poured out upon an unbelieving world. I just happen to believe that Luke 21:22 refers to God's justice, not to Satan's wrath. |
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