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NASB | Acts 8:13 Even Simon himself believed; and after being baptized, he continued on with Philip, and as he observed signs and great miracles taking place, he was constantly amazed. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Acts 8:13 Even Simon believed [Philip's message of salvation]; and after being baptized, he continued on with Philip, and as he watched the attesting signs and great miracles taking place, he was constantly amazed. |
Subject: How do I make sense of the context? |
Bible Note: "What a tapestry this weaves, Isn?t this the quintessential question which came first the chicken or the egg? Which came first God?s plan or our prayers. I hate to say it that way but that is where your logic leads." I don't think so. You yourself attest that God has already made decisions based on our future, foreseen actions. Why would prayer not fall into this category, and be included in the plan while remaining a free action of the individual? You wrote: "You asked, Did you even glance at the links I posted? :) I believe you referring to Pipers writings. In truth no, but I believe I have study them in times past. However I find any time a finite mind, using finite reasoning, based on finite logic, defining a infinite God always leaves something to be desired. " See? That is part of my problem. You raise a question/accusation regarding the mindset of the praying Calvinist, and ignore two links to a Calvinist pastor/teacher who answers the very objection you raised. How is that being honest with my position? You wrote: "In your last sentence, you are saying that God while allowing Adam and Eve a choice has removed that choice from us. would you show where that is said, implied to even hinted at." We both agree that Adam and Eve had the choice, right? So the verses I have cited since day one that indicate that our natures are such that we are morally incapable of coming to the Father unless drawn would be support that things are not now the way they originally were. --Joe! |