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NASB | Acts 8:13 Even Simon himself believed; and after being baptized, he continued on with Philip, and as he observed signs and great miracles taking place, he was constantly amazed. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Acts 8:13 Even Simon believed [Philip's message of salvation]; and after being baptized, he continued on with Philip, and as he watched the attesting signs and great miracles taking place, he was constantly amazed. |
Subject: How do I make sense of the context? |
Bible Note: "Joe the proof text you offer don't say, to me and many others, what you claim they say." Is this your example of being more careful of how you phrase things? How in the world is Romans 10:1 a "proof text"? You posted that we should NOT directly pray for the salvation of others, and Paul completely contradicts you by his own practice. People throughout the entire history of the church, including people whose devotion to God would put both you and I to shame, have prayed precisely what you have declared to be unbiblical. Furthermore, I would wager that, despite your preaching to the contrary, that you yourself have prayed for others to come to Christ, whether it be people within your sphere of contact or faceless members of unreached people groups halfway around the world. If Reformed theology were simply a game of "prooftexting," as you imply, then it would have fallen on the church's theological ash heap long ago. It simply astounds me how you can be so quick to dismiss as "prooftexters" such men of God as Martin Luther and John Calvin and John Bunyan and John Newton and David Brainerd and Jonathan Edwards and William Carey and Charles Spurgeon and Francis Schaeffer and Abraham Kuyper and John Paton and on and on and on. Is your knowledge of Scripture and your theological wisdom really so advanced that you can place all of these figures in the "prooftexter" category. You wrote: "If you don?t think that is a good idea then how about, you and Tim take one passage Hebrews 28:26-31 and either agree it reads as Tim has shown it to read in the Greek, or show why Tim is wrong." Nice distraction tactic. However, this line of conversation had nothing to do with the complicated passages of Hebrews (many of which present a thorny problem for those who believe that theose who lose their salvation can get it back again). Don't worry; Tim and I will hammer our way through the text in Hebrews. This line of inquiry, however, resulted from your statement that it is wrong to pray for the salvation of others, not anything I had said to Tim. Now, getting back to what I had said before you turned this into an accusation of "prooftexting"...I had KINDLY requested your evaluation of the links I had posted, not one of which you have made direct reference to at all. Specifically, I had said: "Go back and read the conversation between Prayerless and Prayerful again. What precisely do you have a problem with in that explanation? Please make direct reference to it, because I would like to know exactly what you find to be erroneous about it." --Joe! |