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1 | How do I make sense of the context? | Acts 8:13 | EdB | 70058 | ||
Joe I came willingly to the Cross. Not if you didn't know you needed the cross and once you did were offered irresistible grace. By it’s very definition there is no choice, you can not resist it. But never mind that tell me how Muslims fit in the grand scheme of things. First the must be enlightened somehow thus seeking freedom from sin. they realize and know their sinful state and seek god to forgive them. Unfortunately they are seeking the wrong god. Calvinist say were are so lost in sin that we reject a need for salvation and it isn’t until God elects us to receive that are eyes are opened and then we are offered irresistible grace which we can’t resist. Then Calvinist say that is manipulation but God is allowing us to exercise choice. What was the choice? To accept something that is in fact irresistible? That is not a choice. EdB |
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2 | How do I make sense of the context? | Acts 8:13 | Reformer Joe | 70063 | ||
"I came willingly to the Cross." Me, too! :) You wrote: "Not if you didn't know you needed the cross and once you did were offered irresistible grace." Order's reversed. It was God's efficacious grace that made me realize my need for Jesus Christ in the first place. Or, as the song goes: "T'was Grace that taught my heart to fear." You wrote: "But never mind that tell me how Muslims fit in the grand scheme of things. First the must be enlightened somehow thus seeking freedom from sin" Part of general revelation (that which all humans possess) is the conscience or moral sense. Everyone's got it, and Romans 2 tells us that God will judge both those with and without the written Law on the basis of that revelation. So the Muslim and the atheist both know they sin, know on some level of their guilt. "Unfortunately they are seeking the wrong god." It is not just misfortune. They are rebelling against God. You wrote: "Calvinist say were are so lost in sin that we reject a need for salvation and it isn?t until God elects us to receive that are eyes are opened and then we are offered irresistible grace which we can?t resist." Not exactly. Calvinists do not say that the unregenerate reject a NEED for salvation; they reject the only thing that WILL save. And election occurred in eternity past; it is God's efficacious, inward call during the lifetime of the individual that does the trick. The irresistible grace actually causes our eyes to be opened. At the risk of offending a bystander with quoting someone else, here is the way the Puritans put it: "Q. 31. What is effectual calling? A. Effectual calling is the work of God?s Spirit, whereby, convincing us of our sin and misery, enlightening our minds in the knowledge of Christ, and renewing our wills, he doth persuade and enable us to embrace Jesus Christ, freely offered to us in the gospel." You wrote: "Then Calvinist say that is manipulation but God is allowing us to exercise choice. What was the choice? To accept something that is in fact irresistible? That is not a choice." I never said it ultimately WAS choice on our parts. What I did say is that we willingly came to the Cross. When grace had its effect, we WANTED Jesus Christ. --Joe! |
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3 | How do I make sense of the context? | Acts 8:13 | EdB | 70065 | ||
Joe Then it is as I have been saying all along is we are saying the same thing it is only semantics that we argue over. EdB |
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4 | How do I make sense of the context? | Acts 8:13 | John Reformed | 70079 | ||
Forgive for intruding Ed, But....I' afraid we are not all on board yet. Arminianism gives the credit to the sinner. According to Arminianism, salvation rests within the will of man. That man is the decision maker, man is the captain of his soul and the master of his fate. Of course some credit is given to God... we could'nt save ourselves without His help of course. But man is at the helm and he sets the course to Heaven or to Hell. God just shows him the chart and urges him to steer for the Kingdom of God. Calvinists give all the credit (glory) to God. God knows the the "Captain" is bent on following the orders of his father who is Admiral Slewfoot and the last place this rebellious seafarer wants to go is to the Heavenly Kingdom. His heart is his compass and that compass is stuck on south (if you get my drift Matey) :-) Now I don't know why God has chosen to save this crazy old pirate, certainly not because he has decent spark in his wicked black heart, but He has. He removes the old compass and replaces it with one that is true. The light goes on in the old boy's head and he begins to dance the horn pipe to the glory of God. I know my analogy will not answer all your questions (such as "has John slipped his anchor?) but I sure hope it is simple enough. I love simplicity. In fact some call me "Simple John". |
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5 | How do I make sense of the context? | Acts 8:13 | EdB | 70104 | ||
John I can not for the life of me figure how you declare it justice when according to you man has no choice. Yes God brings man to a point where he has to decide to either accept God's love and forgiveness or reject it and walk away. Anything else and man is merely being controled by forces he has no say over. EdB |
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