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1 | How do I make sense of the context? | Acts 8:13 | EdB | 70062 | ||
Joe Now wait a minute, the whole thrust of Calvinism is we are so lost in our sin we can not seek forgiveness on our own. Only those elected by God can seek forgiveness and then are offered irresistible grace, which by definition removes any choice, that brings them into salvation. Now your saying Mormons can know they are in sin, can seek to find God, but that God allows them to get deceived because they are not elected. Your saying God will allow people to know they need forgiveness, to even seek for it but will not reveal the truth to them because they are not elected? Where is the love? Where is the justice? Joe believe it or not I have read most of those books you quoted from. I find Michael Horton to be awful. I know some most excellent Calvinist that disagree with much of what he says. In fact MacArthur calls what he is preaching "cheap grace". I find Boice and Sproul to be most excellent, just a little off the mark. One thing I do find interesting is there is so little writing from the other side issue. I rarely pick up a book committed to disproving Calvinism, but the bookstores are filled with ones proclaiming it. Something as obvious as you claim it to be should need no further support outside the Bible. Yet that is exactly what it seems to need. I wonder why? EdB |
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2 | How do I make sense of the context? | Acts 8:13 | Reformer Joe | 70069 | ||
See Post #70063 for my reply regarding what the Bible says about the conscience in every human being. That alone does not spur the quest for forgiveness. I also think you are somewhat off the mark in suggesting that everyone who is involved in a religion is in search of forgiveness. That is not the prime motivation for the typical Muslim to follow Islam, for example. What part of "No one seeks after God" in Romans 3 is so difficult here? Was Paul just exagerrating? That is the nature of the unregenerate person. One may claim to be a seeker, but unless she is called by God, all of her seeking is a flight FROM the truth, not toward it. I would like to see a citation for the comment you made regarding MacArthur's assessment of Horton. Since Horton, Boice, and Sproul are in exact agreement regarding Ye Olde 5 Pointes (and just about everything else, theologically), I fail to see how MacArthur would feel so comfortable showing up to speak at Sproul's national conference year after year. Check your names, because I would hate for MacArthur to be misrepresented on this Forum as has happened before. "One thing I do find interesting is there is so little writing from the other side issue. I rarely pick up a book committed to disproving Calvinism, but the bookstores are filled with ones proclaiming it." Wow...I wish we had the bookstores here that you do in your area. I have crawl over books like _The Prayer of Jabez for Your Pet_ and Thomas Kinkade everything and sanctified bumper stickers just to find a book without pictures! :) "Something as obvious as you claim it to be should need no further support outside the Bible." You will realize how silly that statement is when you replace "Calvinism" with ant other doctrine. Why are there so many books on prayer, Christian stewardship, evangelism, getting along with our brothers and sisters in Christ, spiritual gifts, Bible prophecy, the doctrine of the Trinity, and the gospel itself, along with Bible commentaries I am sure that you have used? The good books that offer such teaching do not provide support "outside the Bible," but rather FROM the Bible. "I wonder why?" Probably because of people who keep getting things mixed up about the doctrines of grace and then broadcast their misconceptions...know what I mean? The fact that modern evangelicalism is characterized by poor theology all the way around (does WOF ring a bell?), it shouldn't surprise us that God is raising people up to call the evangelical church back to its Reformational roots. --Joe! |
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3 | How do I make sense of the context? | Acts 8:13 | EdB | 70102 | ||
Joe As for MacArthur you read into what I said. I said what Horton describes in his book is what MacArthur calls cheap grace. I didn't say MacArthur evaluated his book and this was his comment. I don't even know if MacArthur ever read the book. I mentioned the number of books sort of tongue in cheek. But none of the books you used to repute what I said are birthed in Arminianism but rather in the pit. Probably because of people who keep getting things mixed up about the doctrines of grace and then broadcast their misconceptions...know what I mean? The fact that modern evangelicalism is characterized by poor theology all the way around (does WOF ring a bell?), it shouldn't surprise us that God is raising people up to call the evangelical church back to its Reformational roots. Now you have hit the nail on the head. If the church doesn't rid itself of this false teaching I suspect Jesus will spits it out. See we can agree sometimes :-) EdB |
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