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1 | some reject, others obey the gospel WHY? | Acts 8:13 | Makarios | 69919 | ||
I do not need to re-post what he has already written. | ||||||
2 | some reject, others obey the gospel WHY? | Acts 8:13 | John Reformed | 69921 | ||
Dear Brother Makarios, What would be your reply to my question? If a christian must maintain his position in Christ through his own efforts, would he not have earned a right to boast of his successful accomplishment of that task? As to your reminder of Tim's answer to my question; Tim has not answered to my satisfaction and I was hoping to persuade him to. Brother John |
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3 | some reject, others obey the gospel WHY? | Acts 8:13 | Makarios | 69923 | ||
Greetings John, When a Christian is faced with trials and temptation and faces what is seen as a "test", then I believe that they, of their own volition, have to make the effort to follow through with the direction that Christ would have them to do in any particular situation. I do not believe that a Christian can live "aimlessly", without any direction, since to do so would be against the sanctification that is currently being worked out in the Christian's life. But at the same time, that sanctification does not ensure that the Christian will choose a path that leads to Christ, and that is where we have the volition to continue to follow and maintain our daily relationship with Christ. As for Tim, what answer would he give that would be 'to your satisfaction'? Blessings to you, Makarios |
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4 | some reject, others obey the gospel WHY? | Acts 8:13 | John Reformed | 69945 | ||
Thank you Makarios, "When a Christian is faced with trials and temptation and faces what is seen as a "test", then I believe that they, of their own volition, have to make the effort to follow through with the direction that Christ would have them to do in any particular situation." 2 Cor 13:9 For we rejoice when we ourselves are weak but you are strong; this we also pray for, that you be made complete. Perhaps my view stems from the fact that I am not strong. One of the verses that comforts and buttresses my assurance is 1 Cor 1:27 "but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong," The Bible also says that our ability to do good is God Himself working within us: Phil 2:13 for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure. In fact, apart from Jesus we can't do anything! "I do not believe that a Christian can live "aimlessly", without any direction,"...Neither do I..." since to do so would be against the sanctification that is currently being worked out in the Christian's life."...I don't believe that we control sanctification ,it is God who sanctifies... "But at the same time, that sanctification does not ensure that the Christian will choose a path that leads to Christ,"... Jesus is the Good Shepherd, does a shepherd allow his sheep to destroy themselves by heading down the wrong path?..."and that is where we have the volition to continue to follow and maintain our daily relationship with Christ."...To the extent that man preserves his own position in Christ, he has that much room to boast. Thanks for your reply. I'm sorry we are so far apart on who is in control of our salvation. John |
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5 | some reject, others obey the gospel WHY? | Acts 8:13 | Makarios | 70029 | ||
John, Most Calvinists are so far apart on "who is in control" that I really begin to wonder if they were truly saved in the first place. Perhaps if you were to actually respond to the Arminian perspective, then this exchange may be a little more interesting for me. Makarios |
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6 | some reject, others obey the gospel WHY? | Acts 8:13 | Reformer Joe | 70051 | ||
'Most Calvinists are so far apart on "who is in control" that I really begin to wonder if they were truly saved in the first place.' Every Calvinist I have ever encountered answered the question precisely the same way: "God." I am glad that Spurgeon was much more charitable toward Arminians like Wesley than you are toward Calvinists. "Not truly saved?" Wow. http://www.baptistpage.org/Distinctives/doctrine/spurgeon_01.htm "Perhaps if you were to actually respond to the Arminian perspective, then this exchange may be a little more interesting for me." The Synod of Dort did respond to the Arminian perspective. The Arminian Dutch Remonstrance preceded and gave rise to what have come to be known as the "Five Points." Nothing John has written here contradicts what can be found in that 1618 document: http://www.reformed.org/documents/canons_of_dordt.html --Joe! |
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7 | some reject, others obey the gospel WHY? | Acts 8:13 | Makarios | 70052 | ||
Joe, John may have been able to type something that coincides with the 1618 Synod of Dort, even though there is very little evidence that suggests that he was, in fact, quoting from that document. Before I declare all out war against Calvinism and against all who incessantly post pro-Calvinist posts, I will post some Arminian websites, in response to what you have posted, so that all of the 'innocent bystanders' on this Forum will be able to get a taste of something other than a constant, incessant stream of Calvinist dialogue.. http://gbgm-umc.org/umhistory/wesley/arminian.stm http://www16.brinkster.com/arminian/ http://www.netrover.com/ (tilde) dontheo/arm.htm http://www.gty.org/ (tilde) phil/dabney/arminian.htm There are many more websites, at least one for every Calvinist website that you and John Reformed share. --Makarios! |
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8 | some reject, others obey the gospel WHY? | Acts 8:13 | Reformer Joe | 70057 | ||
Thanks for the links! The last link you posted in your fury is actually a critique of Arminianism, from the Web site of that unregenerate Calvinist John MacArthur. Seems to me you have quoted that ravenous wolf's study Bible once or twice here. I guess he is one of the "saved" ones. I promise I will stop posting Reformed sites as soon as people stop saying idiotic things like I have seen the last couple of days regarding what I believe. It is a lot easier on the server for me to give a link than post the same replies to the same misconceptions over and over and over again. I was doing it for you, man, and this is the thanks I get? ;) I would hope that if I said such irresponsible things like "Arminians only pray to appear more pious" or "I sometimes wonder if Arminians are even saved" or "Arminian folks do nothing but spend all their time proof-texting" that you would set such garbage straight, even if some folks with opposing viewpoints might have to endure such "torture." --Joe! |
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9 | some reject, others obey the gospel WHY? | Acts 8:13 | Makarios | 70125 | ||
Joe, There are many views regarding just what exactly constitutes "irresponsible" writing on this Forum. What I call irresponsible is incessantly trumpeting the tune of Calvinism to a Pharisaical degree, and I have heard this "opposing" viewpoint all too often at this Forum. You do not see myself or another constantly trumpeting the "Arminian" viewpoint on this subject, but I am afraid that that is exactly what I am going to have to resort to if this does not change. - Makarios |
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10 | some reject, others obey the gospel WHY? | Acts 8:13 | Reformer Joe | 70143 | ||
"You do not see myself or another constantly trumpeting the "Arminian" viewpoint on this subject..." I most certainly do see that. Do you think I have talking to myself here? Am I starting these threads? No, I only respond to people making such claims like Calvinists are unregenerate. Take a look back through the threads to which I have contributed over the weekend, and give it a good, honest evaluation, Nolan. I will even help you by pointing you to post #69863 to see precisely where this latest "flare-up" began. And forgiveness has already been granted regarding the "not even saved" comment, even though you apparently think you are perfectly "justified" in calling all of us so. And while you are demonstrating your "brotherly love" (if indeed I am a brother), perhaps you might want to prayerfully evaluate how Tim and I can have reasoned debate on the issues of how God operates in human history without the name-calling or the textual temper-tantrum. --Joe! |
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11 | some reject, others obey the gospel WHY? | Acts 8:13 | Makarios | 70198 | ||
Joe, I, and others, have asked you and John Reformed to bring this Calvinist dialogue to closure. We have strongly implied, suggested, and taken other measures off of the Forum to get the message across to you and John Reformed. If this incessant stream of Calvinism does not stop, then you are going to get an aggressive response! I know of no other way of getting this message across to you. If this constant badgering of Calvinism does not cease, or at the very least become infrequent on this Forum, then you must be prepared to witness what I am about to flood this Forum with. And no, you and I cannot presently be called "brothers" or be in "brotherly love." You continue to fail to recognize our pleas for relief in this matter, and I am going to unleash a response towards your posts in the only other way that is left to us, if it does not come to an immediate halt! - Makarios |
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12 | some reject, others obey the gospel WHY? | Acts 8:13 | Reformer Joe | 70201 | ||
I am sorry: was there something in my last post that was in error? If so, please correct me, and I will apologize. Your attitude and statements toward me this week have been quite sinful, Nolan, and dishonor the name of the Lord and Savior we both belong to. And, whether you like it or not, we are indeed brothers in Christ, because you and I aren't the ones who determine that status. Furthermore, as I plan to celebrate the Lord's Supper this evening, I consider it important for us to become reconciled before then. 'We love, because He first loved us. If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen. And this commandment we have from Him, that the one who loves God should love his brother also.' --John 4:19-21 --Joe! |
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13 | some reject, others obey the gospel WHY? | Acts 8:13 | Makarios | 70255 | ||
Yes, that is true, The spirit in which I have reacted to your posts and conducted my mass gathering of information to use against your posts has been in fierce hostility, and I agree, that is sinful. However, I beg to ask: is it any less of a sin to subject this Forum to a constant 'commerical' or endorsement of Calivinism, whether you realize it or not, when you already know just how divisive this subject is? You might think that I am prideful. But I hold you with the same vice, since it is you who is showing an unwavering tenacity to jump on every opportunity to endorse your particular persuasion of Christianity, even though your view is not at the "heart" of what we share as Christians. I truly respect other people for their differing viewpoints, even though I have decidedly lost respect for the Calvinist view of election. I do not find a reflection, nor have I ever found a reflection, from you in an "appreciative" sense concerning the Arminian viewpoint. I will agree to discontinue my plans to open this debate on this Forum to an unhealthy degree, if you and John Reformed would agree to let this subject rest for a little while. And when people come onto the Forum and want to plunge into this debate again, by all means, let us direct them to what has already been written, since there is absolutely nothing new that can be said or shared from either side. If you will decide to do this with me, and to agree to bring this to some kind of closure, then yes, I will forgive you for the wrong that you have caused me, and I will ask forgiveness for my strife in return. I do not want to become the antagonist, or the "menace of Arminianism", just to prove my point. But I really see no other objective way of getting this message across. - Nolan |
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