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1 | Teacher, when were the 11 rebaptized? | Romans | One | 67180 | ||
Yes, I am sorry I work trading stocks and things here can get busy and I didn’t proof that well enough. My point was you accused teacher of leaning on the teaching of men, and all he has done was quote scriptures. Does not the Bible say work out your own salvation with fear and trembling? Yet, through out these post you and other have quoted men saying “Well I know what this passage says but what it means is this.” To me this is looking to men more than what teacher is doing. | ||||||
2 | Teacher, when were the 11 rebaptized? | Romans | Morant61 | 67185 | ||
Greetings One! Thanks for the clarification my friend! I would ask for some stock tips, but the way the market is.....! :-) Just for clarification, I didn't accuse Teacher, I was merely turning his point around on him. Whenever someone else disagreed with his interpretation, he was quoting Scriptures to make it sound like these men were just following the traditions as men as opposed to himself (who has a direct line to God maybe?)! So, the point I was trying to illustrate is that we all must come to grips with the text and our understanding of it. Simply because someone else has a different understanding doesn't make it simply 'traditions of men'. :-) As to quoting other, I have quoted a few, but usually I do mine own interpretation and translation. So, I don't believe that I can be accused of saying, "I know what it says, but...". I have been trying to say, "Here what is says, and here is how you have misunderstood it". p.s. - Phil. 2:12 does say to 'work out' our salvation, not to 'work for' our salvation. This term simply refers to living out the reality of our salvation in our daily lives for all the world to see. It does not refer to 'working' to earn salvation, but expresses actions taken because we are saved. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Teacher, when were the 11 rebaptized? | Romans | One | 67189 | ||
Yes, I understand work in that context means more of figure out for your self. Tim judging from you profile I am sure you are familiar with the story of Naaman. If I may ask a question was his life spared due to works or the grace of GOD? 2 Kin 5:14 So he went down and dipped himself seven times in the Jordan, according to the word of the man of God; and his flesh was restored like the flesh of a little child and he was clean. |
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4 | Teacher, when were the 11 rebaptized? | Romans | Morant61 | 67192 | ||
Greetings One! Actually, not 'figure out for your self', but more 'live out' your salvation. Concerning Naaman, this is a trick question! :-) The story does not deal with salvation, nor the means of salvation, but rather with an account of healing. The question should be: "Was Naaman healed by God or by the water?" So, let's examine the question of baptism again: No one questions that we are commanded to be baptized. The question is, does baptism save us or is it an act done in response to salvation? If I say to you (since you work with stocks), "In order for me to buy funds for you, you must sign an authorization form and give me 2,000 dollars." Both items are necessary to achieve the desired result. In the same way, if we say that one must believe and be baptized, then we are saying that both must occur to be saved. Here is the problem with that position: 1) There are literally hundreds of Scriptures which never once mention baptism as a requirement for salvation. Did God forget to mention it all of those times? Was Paul's response to the Jailer complete if it left out a necessary element in Acts 16? 2) Secondly, by definition, baptism is an action or a work. Eph. 2:3-9, Rom. 4, Gal. 2, ect..., all proclaim that works do not save us. Where is the verse which clearly says, "You must be baptized to be saved?" I know of several which are misinterpreted to say that, but I know of none which plainly say it! Well, I have to get to bed my friend. I work nights and I have been up all night. So, I'll chat with you later! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | Teacher, when were the 11 rebaptized? | Romans | One | 67207 | ||
Dear brother I never mentioned salvation. Here is what I said, “Was his life spared due to works or the grace of GOD? Please answer this. | ||||||
6 | Teacher, when were the 11 rebaptized? | Romans | Morant61 | 67213 | ||
Greetings One! Okay! I'll bite! :-) His life was spared by the grace of God! God could have let him die, but choose to heal him. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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7 | Teacher, when were the 11 rebaptized? | Romans | One | 67217 | ||
Brother this is exactly how I see baptism. There is nothing magical in the water. It is not because we are so good in obeying. Just as the grace of God spared the physical life of Naaman God has spared our spiritual life. Just as dipping seven times in the murky Jordan did not earn the right to be healed baptism does not earn us our salvation. Now you may sill disagree with me on baptism but at least you can understand why I feel baptism is not a work of our own. |
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8 | Teacher, when were the 11 rebaptized? | Romans | Morant61 | 67260 | ||
Greetings One! I knew that was where you were going! :-) I understand your position my friend! I really do. The problem though is that the analogy doesn't carry over. There wasn't any Old Testament passage which said, "You are healed by grace, through faith, not by works". :-) As I've tried to stress time and again, if one says that: "I must believe and be baptized then I am saved." Then baptism becomes a work which I must do to be saved. This directly contradicts Eph. 2:8-9. If one says: "I believe and I am saved and then I must be baptized" I would have no problem with this statement. Baptism is commanded, but it does not save. The evidence for baptismal regeneration is scanty at best. I would summarize it as: 1) Mark 16:16: Which probably was not in the original text anyway, but if it was, has been misinterpreted by failing to take into consideration simple logic (as previously discussed). 2) Acts 2:38: I have demonstrated over and over again that the command to be baptized is parenthetical to this verse and cannot be associated with the plural phrases 'for the forgiveness of sins' and 'you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit'. This is simply Greek grammar, but the point is consistently ignored. 3) 1 Peter 3:21: This verse is loaded with translation difficulties, but one thing is clear: Whatever baptims does, Peter hastens to point out that it doesn't actually cleanse us. At least we have all had the opportunity to lay out our case. :-) In closing, my position is that there is not any action, deed, ritual, or work, which we must do to be saved. Scripture consistently calls for us to make a volitional response to His offer of salvation, but nothing more. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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9 | Teacher, when were the 11 rebaptized? | Romans | One | 67264 | ||
Ok we agree to disagree I wil note you said, "Scripture consistently calls for us to make a volitional response to His offer of salvation, but nothing more. To me Baptism is included in the volitional response. PS Im glad you have like some of my other posts Peace to you my Brother |
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