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1 | Teacher, when were the 11 rebaptized? | Romans | Teacher | 66968 | ||
"If the word isn't there doesn't mean it didn't happen". Those are your words. Use them to answer your own question of "So when were the 11 rebaptized?" If we have one example of persons being rebaptized as we do in Acts 19 we can, by necessary inference, infer that it would be necessary for all that had been baptized into John's baptism. In order to answer your question "How could the 12 be baptized into John while John was still alive ... why would they, since they were His disciples?" you must learn the purpose of John's baptism and the purpose of Jesus' baptism. I will let you search for this answer yourself, if you like. Paul tells us in Hebrews 6, "Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death,[1] and of faith in God, 2instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3And God permitting, we will do so." Paul says that "instruction about baptisms, laying on of hands, etc." are "elementary teachings". Anyone who has been studying God's word for any length of time should have learned of these and gone "on to maturity". |
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2 | Teacher, when were the 11 rebaptized? | Romans | One | 66971 | ||
If I may say a few things, if we really want good translations of the Greek lets look at the Greek culture its self. If we look at Greece to thins are not an issue in the Greek Church: 1. Baptism for the remission of sins. 2. Total immersion. As to Cornelius conversion this was a special event. How do I know this? Look at this passage Acts 11:15 "And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them just as He did upon us at the beginning. Peter here is defending him preaching to the gentiles. Note what he says the spirit fell on them just as he did on them in the beginning. He did say just as he does when someone believes. Peter here has to go all the way back to Pentecost to show a like experience. We should also understand that there are different levels of receiving the spirit. Balam’s donkey had the spirit come on it to speak but to date no one have ever tried to tell me this donkey was saved. Remember to Jesus said the Spirit would come into the world to convict men of sin. What happened at Pentecost scripture says “And they were cut to the heart.” Here we have the Sprit working in men’s heart and they are not saved. In fact it is the Spirit working in the heart of man to change them. Some people accept the spirits work some reject it. As to the whole “baptism” issue I think when we try to say here is the moment someone is saved they can stop and so can we Is a totally foreign idea to the New Testament church. To me some passage speak of confessing, with out a word of repentance or baptism because they viewed the whole thing as the same event. We can twist Act 2:38 around and we are still left with 1 Peter 3:21. Also look to at the stories of the Bible. The Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8:27 and ask yourself a question when did he go away happy and when was Philip taken away, after baptism. When did the Jailer rejoice after baptism. Therefore baptism was apart of the whole flow of the process and to exclude it is the result of theologians thinking too much. Now you might say baptism is a work and works does not save us. At this point people try a pit Paul and James against one another and this would be a contradiction if they were speaking of the same type of works. If we look at Romans Paul is speaking of works of “the Law”, while James speaks of works of faith. I might also there is one work none of us cannot be saved with out and that’s God’s work and that’s what baptism is. Col 2:12 having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. |
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3 | Teacher, when were the 11 rebaptized? | Romans | Morant61 | 66974 | ||
Greetings One! Two quick question and/or observations, if I may? 1) It is true that the Spirit came upon people at times in the Old Testament. However, under the baptismal regeneration view of Acts 2:38 there are two commands which must be obeyed, followed by two results: Commands: Repent and be baptized. Results: For the forgiveness of sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Here is the problem with this view. The exact same phrase, which in Acts 2:38 is viewed as a result of repentance and baptism, is found in Acts 10 prior to baptism. The phrase in Acts 10 is the exact same one as used in Acts 2:38. Therefore, one can only conclude one of two things. a) That Acts 2:38 and Acts 10 contradict one another (which I don't believe for a minute). One cannot simply plead a special case, when the text does not say such a thing. b) That Acts 2:38 is being misinterpreted. This is what I believe to be the case, as I have pointed out grammatically many times! :-) 2) Works or Works of Law? Where exactly does Eph. 2:8-9 say 'Works of Law'? The text does not make such a distiction. Paul did not say 'not by some kinds of works'! ;-) You made the point my friend that some believe that there is moment after which we are saved that we can simply stop. Allow me to address that point. I would never say such a thing. We are commanded to do many things as Christians. We are commanded to love one another. We are commanded to give. We are commanded to assemble together. We are commanded to love God. We are commanded to study to show ourselves approved. We are commanded to be holy. The list goes on and on and on! :-) But, none of these things save us! This is the point that baptismal regeneration fails to grasp. We are saved by grace through faith. Nothing we do contributes to, adds to, or keeps our salvation. It is totally based upon Christ's work on the cross and is a free gift. Baptismal regeneration ignores this point, tries to redefine obedience to do something as 'not a work', stresses ongoing obedience, and never seems to come to grips with the grace of God. Our salvation is not based upon or kept by our obedience. It is a free gift given to all who believe. Paul stressed that works are not a part because boasting would then result. "I'm saved because I kept God's commands better than you", I might be tempted to say. The proper order is as expressed in Eph. 2:8-10. We are saved by God's grace, through our faith (our response to God's gift), then, good works and acts of obedience result because of our salvation, not to gain our salvation. I know that I may never change the minds of those who have adopted this view, but I would ask that you pray about it my friend. I also pray that those who read these posts may come to fully understand God's grace and not be trapped into another, newer system of legalism. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Teacher, when were the 11 rebaptized? | Romans | inmyheart | 67002 | ||
Tim, In Eph 2:8 we are told, FOR BY GRACE ARE YE SAVED THROUGH FAITH; AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES: IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD. Gal 3:2-RECEIVED YE THE SPIRIT BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW, OR BY THE HEARING OF FAITH? Gal 3:14-THAT THE BLESSING OF ABRAHAM MIGHT COME ON THE GENTILES THROUGH JESUS CHRIST; THAT WE MIGHT RECEIVE THE PROMISE OF THE SPIRIT THROUGH FAITH. Eph 3:17-THAT CHRIST MAY DWELL IN YOUR HEARTS BY FAITH. We are saved by faith. Does this mean we are saved by faith without repentance? Not at all. We must repent of our sins, or there is no salvation. For it is written, EXCEPT YE REPENT, YE SHALL ALL LIKEWISE PERISH-Lk 13:3. Does this mean that we are saved by faith only, and we never need to confess Jesus publicly? Not at all. We should confess that Jesus is (the only Hope) of our salvation to everyone that asks us. If we are ashamed of Jesus, He will be ashamed of us at the judgment. So we may ask, "What about baptism?" THERE IS NO GRACE WITHOUT BELIEVING ON JESUS THERE IS NO GRACE WITHOUT REPENTANCE Is there grace without baptism? God bless |
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5 | Teacher, when were the 11 rebaptized? | Romans | Morant61 | 67005 | ||
Greetings One! Thanks for your response! You asked: "Is there grace without baptism?" My answer is: Yes! There are several basically synonymous terms which are used to describe repentance: believing, receiving, calling, ect.... The important thing to note about each of these terms is that they are not the basis of grace, but our response to grace. For example, suppose that I go and research your background (likes, dislikes, ect...) and through my research determine that there is one gift which you could really use, but would never be able to get. I however have the ability to get this gift for you, so I purchase it for you. I then come and offer you this gift and you accept it. By accepting the gift, did you earn it? Did you contribute to the price of the purchase by accepting the gift? Do you see where I am going my friend? Salvation is totally based upon what Christ did, not what we do. We can repent, receive, accept, ect... (all changes of attitude on our part, not effort), but we can in know way DO anything to deserve salvation. This is the point that baptismal regeneration fails to address. Anything that we DO is a work. In fact, the Enhanced Strong's concordance defines the work 'work' or 'ergon' as: "an act, deed, thing done". If I must jump through hoops before I can be saved and perform certain tasks, than I have earned salvation - or at least contributed to it. This is exactly what Paul said that we can't do. No matter how one tries to say otherwise, if I must DO something to be saved, that thing I must DO is a work. Repentance however is not an act done, but a change of attitude toward God. Acceptance of the gift of salvation is a response to God's grace, not something done to earn it. As I explained to Teacher, those who believe in baptismal regeneration have simply exchanged one Law for another, one legalistic system for another. The Biblical view of works in quite clear: I believe and am saved then I obey and do good works. Not: I believe and obey and do good works and then I am saved. This is another gospel! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | Teacher, when were the 11 rebaptized? | Romans | mbooker | 67007 | ||
Good morning Brother Tim Such a clear and precise post!! (at least to me :) ) While I firmly believe we are saved by grace thru faith and not of works, I struggled with thinking that believing and receiving could technically be termed as a 'work'. Your example was refreshing to me and I especially liked the way you ended this post: The Biblical view of works in quite clear: I believe and am saved then I obey and do good works. Not: I believe and obey and do good works and then I am saved. This is another gospel! I thank God for you and what you share here... btw, I will be looking for an interlinear Bible Thanks again Meredith |
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7 | Teacher, when were the 11 rebaptized? | Romans | Morant61 | 67008 | ||
Greetings Meredith! Thanks for the kind words! For an interlinear Bible, you might try CBD (Christian Book Distributers - online I believe), or the American Bible Society, or some other such group. Your local Christian bookstore may have one or may be able to order it. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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