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1 | Didn't God give man freedom of choice? | Romans | Henri | 66870 | ||
Dear JustMe, Wow, what timing! I was actually just updating my profile, apparently while you were asking me to. Must've been the Holy Ghost. I took the time to look at your profile too before responding. Sorry, I can't give you Biblical reference for my view off the top of my head, but I think others have had this debate too -- even in this thread. I will say this. For my view, one has to recognize that we benefit from the Holy Spirit only if we pursue God. That's our part of the deal in the New Covenant. Even if there's no specific Biblical support for my view, which there indeed may not be, I also am not aware of any specific Biblical support for your view. As with some other issues of debate, the Bible may be silent on this specific point. However, I have seen people that were definitely saved, who have been turned away from God by severe temptations or circumstances manifested by Satan. I'm talking about some heavy stuff here, not just getting a little lazy in prayer or lax in church attendance. Fortunately, many of them eventually come back to the Body of Christ, but sadly others do not before they pass on. Does that mean that they weren't "really" saved before? I don't think so, having known a couple them so well before their fall. How does this happen? Because even after we're saved, God still honors our ability to make poor decisions. He can't do anything us because he gave us our free will. The most common way that this occurs is when a son or daughter of God suffers a grievious loss and then gets angry with God for "letting it happen". I understand that this won't happen to a saved individual who has asked Jesus to guide them through their will, but that same individual can take the exercise of their will back. I believe that I've seen this happen. With regard to your view, if a "really" saved individual is saved forever, then why does Satan waste his time with us once we've been saved? Henri |
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2 | Didn't God give man freedom of choice? | Romans | justme | 66981 | ||
Henri: Thanks for the profile, I enjoyed knowing reading about you. I know that what we think or believe is important to us. May I point out that what I think or believe is not a basis to form an opinion on what God's Word actually says. I want to give you the chance to grow spiritually, and seek out the verses that prove what you believe. We can then DIALOGUE, not argue, over what difference we may see. You are correct there has been a bunch of threads but they mostly get dead locked when respect, changes to dogma, and love changes to bitterness. I would be willing to exchange some food for thoughts on a respectfull kind dialogue. Of course that is if you so desire. Think it over. I am around about every day or so. Blessings. justme |
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