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NASB | Romans 7:19 For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 7:19 For the good that I want to do, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. |
Subject: Paul's evil practices Pre or PostJesus |
Bible Note: Hello brother Tim, Just a comment regarding your post to John. You wrote: "You are arguing that Paul is describing himself as a believer struggling with slavery to sin, while I am arguing that Paul is describing himself prior to becoming a believer" I have been following this thread closely, and have offered a cent or two worth of feedback. You have commented somewhere else that someone is arguing from the position that Paul was describing himself "as a believer struggling with SLAVERY to sin". Your either missing the point, or playing like a politician. That is, changing what someone else has said in order to discredit their argument or strengthen your own. What I have been seeing here has not been any participant arguing that Paul considered himself as struggling with "slavery" to sin. What has been effectively argued, is that Paul viewed himself as a believer struggling with sin. Not SLAVERY to sin. A believer freed from the law of sin, the penalty of sin; yet still struggling with the temptation of and the giving in to the flesh. As you do, and as I do, and as the biblical translators did and do. I believe you have stated somewhere else that you do not believe in sinless perfection this side of our glorified bodies (correct me if this is not your position). If this is your position, do you include Paul, in his time on earth, as not having reached a state of sinless perfection? If you do, would you agree that Paul had not only an inclination but a responsibility to include the believer's continuing problem with sin in his teaching? Finally, if we are still in agreement, can you point to the place in scripture that Paul, or any other NT writer covers this point? Christ's Love, Jeff |