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1 | When will I speak/pray in tongues? | Acts 2:6 | Reformer Joe | 28183 | ||
Scooting over to 1 Timothy 4:14 does not give me the same subject. That is my whole point. The immediate context of 1 Timothy 4:14 is 1 Timothy 4, not Acts nor 1 Corinthians 12 nor Romans 12. Of course these passages provide a larger context for the verse in question, but so do Judges, 2 Kings, and Obadiah. Show me from Scripture that when Jesus said "ask and you will receive," he was talking about tongues. Please cite chapter and verse and make your point, because simply stringing along a group of phrases that Jesus said in a number of different contexts does not make them applicable to your argument. You are absolutely right that tongues were a sign of salvation for Cornelius and his household. I have not suggested that tongues were never a sign of salvation. What I am saying is that Christians have been certainly "well-established" without possessing this gift at all. Martin Luther was not a tongues-speaker. Nor was Jonathan Edwards. To my knowledge, Augustine never mentioned it. John Calvin did not speak in tongues. John and Charles Wesley? Nope. Since you seem to be missing my point regarding 1 Corinthians 12, let me point out the verses in question: "And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues. All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they? All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they?" --1 Corinthians 12:28-30 After discussing throughout the chapter the fact that God in His sovereignty has established different roles for believers within the church (along with different gifts that accompany them), he goes on to say very emphatically that every believer does NOT have every gift (including tongues). This is not due to a lack of asking or a lack of faith. This is due to the fact that God specifically ordained to assign them different gifts. Also, notice how far tongues is down the list. Why does your church major on a gift that Paul assigns such a very minor place? The fact is that Scripture plainly says, in no uncertain terms, that tongues is not a gift that all Christians will truly have. Therefore, it stands to reason, statistically speaking, that many in your church are faking it or are deceived into thinking that the noises they are uttering are truly from God. Perhaps it is you who needs to evaluate how "established" you are. I am with a very healthy church. What are the marks of a healthy church? A healthy, established church is one where the sufficiency and efficacy of God's Word is held to and boldly proclaimed and honored. A healthy church is where the congregation regularly engages in baptism and the Lord's Supper. And a healthy church is one where a biblically-based system of discipline is in place to keep the church doctrinally pure and free from gross, evident, unrepentant sin. The church I attend has all of these, and bears spiritual fruit as a result. --Joe! P.S. Isaiah 7 has nothing to do with tongues. |
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2 | When will I speak/pray in tongues? | Acts 2:6 | ethan | 28248 | ||
God says my people die from Lack of Knowledge. Rom 9:16 says it is not of him who wills or runs but of God who shows mercy. that means God has Preordained the Gifts given to you. pray and fast. Isaiah 58:6 the fast that God has chosen breaks the bonds wickedness . wickedness come from the root word wicker, which means to twist just like the baskets. so fasting breaks the bonds of twisted thinking. This is Gods way, not mine. a sign of a healthly church is a growing one and that Loves truth in Gods word. Joe I know my Jesus well, not as well as i would like. I have personally been able to by the Lords Grace to lead 8 souls Back to him this year. I am doing ministry Training and am also the Head deacon for a 250 strong and growing Church. i have 10 People placed in my care. all of my bills are paid on time and the Lord Supplies all my needs just at the right time. It is the Grace shown by God to me, not of works lest i should boast. the reason for Apostles Prophets Teachers etc. Are to equip the saints. you should ask how do they equip the saints and for what? Paul goes on to say i show you a better way Love, for it will never cease. Do you have Apostles and Prophets Equiping your saints in your church?? according to the Word you are supposed to. I should say God is supposed to.are miricles happening in your church? We have We call on the name of Jesus. The high and mighty God of all creation. He has not changed we have. do a study on authority For God is the only one who gives it. The fact really is that you dont have the gifts and couldnt be bothered to really seek for Gods Gifts. For God is not a Respector of persons So why would He Give liberally To one and not the other? Relationship. So dont explain away why it is not relevent for today. just believe and you will recieve. Heb 11:6. You can argue till you are black and blue in the face about what others have and have not. What God will ask you is; what did you do to my Gifts that i freely gave you. Did you even bother to find out what i have Given you?? in the end it will be God and YOU. Seek Gods Gifts but above all seek His Love. Bless you. |
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3 | When will I speak/pray in tongues? | Acts 2:6 | Reformer Joe | 28293 | ||
Please try reading context! Romans 9 is talking about the pre-ordaining of PEOPLE, not gifts. You did not answer my question at all regarding your claim that God allegedly offers tongues to all. I will take that to mean that you have no response as to why Paul emphatically declares that not all are gifted by God with tongues. My gifts lie in the areas of discernment and teaching, and I am putting them to use right now to separate your biblically-unfounded error from biblical truth. Please don't quench the Spirit's work here. --Joe! |
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