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1 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | EdB | 73830 | ||
Greg I see my brother in the Lord Tim is conversing with you so I will step out and yield to his superior knowledge of the original Greek and Hebrew. From the little I do know of Greek and Hebrew you are forcing meanings that are just not found in the original. While your assumptions may appear to be logical they do violate existing rules of language, Greek in particular. Tim is better at explaining this. As for your argument of Jesus, Peter and Paul saying law and meaning the Torah, it has a problem in the fact that most of Paul’s ministry was to Gentiles who had no knowledge of the law. We see no indication of Paul attempting to teach the Torah to them. In Acts 15 we see a council of Jerusalem of which Peter and Paul are both present deciding what “laws” or “rules” should the newly converted Gentiles be given to live by. Peter addressing the question, should these new Christians be forced to conform to the Torah said, “why place something on them that WE HAVEN’T BEEN ABLE TO KEEP.” Then the discussion turns to Paul and Barnabas who tell how God honors the faith of the these new Christian Gentiles without their conforming to the “LAW”. At this point James took the floor and quoted from Amos the ninth chapter speaking of how the Gentiles will seek and find God. He then said let us not attempt to place them under the “LAW” (which Jesus had freed him and the others from) but rather tell them to refrain from things offered to idols, fornication, from what was strangled, and from blood. For your argument to be correct we would then have to declare the Book of Romans invalid and tear it from our Bibles. Romans clearly and with certainty teaches we are no longer under the “LAW”. EdB |
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2 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | gjboone | 73851 | ||
Hi Ed, Let me preface by paraphrasing 2 Peter 3:15-16, "As in all of Paul's letters, he states concepts that are hard to grasp if one is new to the faith and not familiar with the Old Testament, many misinterpret to there own ruin." There are 2 concepts that get confused when reading Paul's writings. There was the "law", the revealed instruction of YHWH and there was the oral "law" that the rabbis had determined. The burden was the "oral law". For instance, the rabbis were so zealous about keeping the Sabbath that they developed over 1,500 "fences". Fences are ways of ensuring that one did not come close to breaking a commandment. Example, rabbis teach that the Sabbath candles should be lit 18 minutes before sundown in order to avoid kindling a fire on the Sabbath. ***THESE MAN-MADE FENCES ARE THE BURDEN PAUL SPOKE OF***. Yes, Gentiles are given the basic instructions in Acts 15:20 ”abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.” However, in the next verse Paul states, “For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.” In other words, we are not going to over-burden these “babes” but they will mature as they are exposed to more and more Torah instruction each week. No one expects a baby to be potty-trained at birth but after 10 years if he is still in diapers we have a problem. "Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God." (Romans 10:17) Paul taught Torah to the Gentile believers. I Corinthians 5:7-8 7 “Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: 8 Therefore let us KEEP THE FEAST, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.” Why is Paul telling Gentile converts to keep the Passover Feast? Are not the feasts done away with for Christians? I Corinthians 10:16 “The CUP OF BLESSING which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ?” The cup of blessing is a toast in the Passover Seder meal. Corinth was a prosperous, immoral and pagan city whose Christian church was dominated by Gentile converts. How and why do these Gentile converts know about the Passover celebration if they are not to keep the feasts? The obvious answer is that as Paul stated in Acts 15:21; the Gentiles will adopt the rest of “the faith” as Moses is preached in all the synagogues every Sabbath (Saturday). Is not it strange that over the past 2,000 years this contradiction has not been address by the church? “And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.” (2 Corinthians 11:14-15) Pretend for a moment that Torah was a requirement. What other word would connote "willfull disregard for Torah" other than "anomia" since its root is "nomos"? I pray you have ears that hear. Greg Boone |
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3 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | EdB | 73854 | ||
Greg Now I see where we are heading. You aren’t just interested in calling the Law the Torah your building a case for Sabbath worship. Understand first the Sabbath rest was never meant to be a time of worship but going by the strictest letter of the word of God a day of “rest.” Know secondly that Jesus was a fulfillment of that rest, the Messiah is referenced as Shiloh (rest giver) in Genesis 49:10. Jesus Himself said He was Lord of the Sabbath. He also okayed His disciples from keeping the Sabbath allowing them to gather and eat on the day, also they traveled on the Sabbath which was virtually prohibited.. Sunday is a day Christian celebration to rejoice in the knowledge our Lord lives. What better day than the day He arose to celebrate His life ? We are not keeping the Sabbath but rather we are celebrating the resurrection of our Lord In the early church the Jews kept the Sabbath rest and Sunday celebration. The Gentiles kept only the Sunday celebration since they were never under the Law. Gradually as Jews understood Jesus as fulfillment of the Sabbath the Jews stop the Sabbath rest. You mentioned the Passover again Jesus is a fulfillment of the Passover. He was the perfect Lamb that saved us from death. Therefore just as in the Passover there are similar things we use in Communion to celebrate our salvation. Remember we are Gentiles not Jews Here in Florida we have 5 in trees. They take a Bitter lemon root stock and graft an orange, tangerine, lemon, lime and grapefruit on to the tree. The root stock gives them resistance to insects and rot and the branches supply the fruit. No one would look at the limb that produced an orange and attempt to call it a bitter lemon branch. It remains an orange branch grafted to a bitter lemon tree. Just as we are Gentiles grafted into the tree of Abraham, into the family of God, we are still not Children of Israel but adopted children of God. EdB |
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4 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | Taleb | 73861 | ||
EdB, I continue to appreciate your wisdom and insight in dealing with so many issues. I get a chuckle whenever someone "demands" we observe the Sabbath. So many have no understanding of it. They think that every seventh day is Sabbath - period. What do they do about the twice a week "Sabbaths" that the "Torah" demands to be observed? Or, the once a year "Sabbaths", etc.? Surprizing enough, I DO observe the Sabbath. Some times it happens to be on Sunday, some times on Saturday (var!). :) Keep keeping 'em on their toes. :) Taleb |
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5 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | EdB | 73862 | ||
Taleb Thank you for your kind words EdB |
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