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1 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | gjboone | 73794 | ||
I appreciate you taking the time and effort to respond. Being that Yeshua (Jesus), Peter, John, Matthew and Paul were all Israelites who spoke Hebrew and Aramaic, do you believe the entire New Testament was written in Greek? It is obvious that parts are direct translations of Hebrew idioms. Be that as it may, we can agree that the use of the word "nomos" is referring to the Hebrew concept of "Torah" in various instances throughout the NT (Heb 8:10, Matt 12:5, Rom 3). I am not familiar with the root word "nemo". My source shows "anomia" having its root as "anomos" (Strong's 459). http:bible.crosswalk.com My source also cites a key difference between "anomos" and "anomia" as being the frame of mind of the violator. "Anomos" - departing from the law, a violator of the law. "Anomia" - CONTEMPT and violation of law, iniquity. The people in Matthew 7:23 are severly deceived. They imagine they are doing acceptable works (leaning own their own understanding) but they have willfully disregarded the Living Torah. They are representative of most of Protestant America. Hosea 8:12 "I have written to him the great things of my law (Torah), but they were counted as a strange thing." Yeshua kept Torah, Peter kept Torah, Paul kept Torah, the Centurion kept Torah, what makes Christians exempt? YHWH does not change (Malachi 3:6). Peter 3:15-16 "...our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are **some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction**. Here is the pattern: During the Exodus God's people by putting blood on the doorposts were spared. Then they were called to Mt. Sinai to be given the Ten Commandments (a marriage contract)on how to live as God's children in order to enter the promised land. Blood on the doorposts was UNCONDITIONAL; entering into the promised land was CONDITIONAL upon keeping the commandments. Yeshua paid our sin debt UNCONDITIONALLY by faith; Obtaining eternal life is CONDITIONAL upon keeping the commandments. This is all born out in the scriptures. God does not change, this is consistent with what is pointed out in Revelation 14:12, 22:14 about entering the New Jersualem. Hebrews 5:9 "And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;" NOT ALL THAT JUST BELIEVE IN HIM "Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall." (I Cor 10:12) We are being called out of Babylon. Rev 18:4 You have to receive a love of the truth not to be deceived. (2Thess 2:10-11) I pray YHWH anoint thine eye with eyesalve that thou mayest see. Shalom, Greg Boone |
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2 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | Morant61 | 73809 | ||
Greetings Greg! Thanks for the response! The points you made are exactly opposite of the Scripture references which I cited in my last post to you. Eph. 2:8-10 makes it perfectly clear that it our salvation is not based upon our works. Romans and Galatians also both make it clear that the Law cannot, and never could, save. That God has provided another means of righteous, that is grace. Would you please respond to the Scriptures which I posted? :-) Now, on to your verses! :-) You cite Heb. 5:9 as an example, but notice that there is no mention of obedience to the Law. It says only those who listen to Him. In fact, the words 'obey' and 'Law' are only found 4 times in the same verse in the New Testament. In Acts 15:5, the Judaizers wanted to require that Gentiles must obey the Law, but the early church council did not grant that request. In Rom. 2:13, obedience to the Law is mentioned for rigtheousness. However, Paul immediately goes on to show that no do in fact obey that Law. Finally, they are both mentioned in Gal. 5:3 and 6:13. The Gal. 5:3 passage is especially relevant to this discussion. Gal. 5:2 - "Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 But by faith we eagerly await through the Spirit the righteousness for which we hope. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love." Notice that Paul does not want these Christians to be circumcised because to do so would mean that they are then 'obligated' to obey the whole Law. To Paul, this was a bad thing. In verse 4, he says that this means that one is alienated from Christ. Now, in light of these verses, how can one make the case that Paul believed that obedience to the Torah was necessary for salvation? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | gjboone | 73868 | ||
Hi Tim, To answer your questions about Galatians I copied a letter I wrote to my father several months ago. It is amazing to me that with 66 books in the Bible, Christians pick out 2 that are to replace 4,000 years of history, what Yeshua says in Matthew 5:17-20, the fact that YHWH does not change, etc. I wonder what period of time Paul was referring to when he wrote: 2Timothy 4:3-4 "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." Galatians Briefly Definitions/Misconceptions: · Torah/Law is not a list of “do’s and don’ts”, but Divine guidance and instruction on how to relate to God, man, beast and earth. · Torah is not a burden. “Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach.” Deuteronomy 30:11 “For my yoke is easy and my burden is light." Matthew 11:30 · The “fences” that the Pharisees and rabbis placed around Torah are the burden. Fences are man-made rulings that everyone refers to as legalism. Example “Taking more than 50 steps on the Sabbath is considered work”, this is a rabbinical interpretation, it is not an original commandment. Background/Setting: · Paul is giving answers to specific questions/charges throughout the letter. · We have to determine what the questions/charges were. · Paul is writing to a large area filled with congregations not just one church. · False Brethren have been misrepresenting Paul or distorting his teachings. · False Brethren must have questioned his authority or misrepresented theirs. · When Paul refers to customs or burden he is talking about Rabbinical Judaism not the Torah. Chapter 1 1:1- · Right off the bat Paul announces that God ordained him, not men. 1:6-10 · Paul is amazed at how they could so quickly abandon what he taught. He explains that there are false brethren causing confusion who were sent by men not God. 1:11-24 · Paul explains how is teachings came from revelation and that he only briefly met with the leaders of Jerusalem. Some one has been lying about Paul’s training or calling. Chapter 2 2:1-10 · This is the same incident that is discussed in Acts 15, the Jerusalem council. Circumcision is not necessary for salvation. James, Peter and John all agreed that the Gentiles did not need to be circumcised for justification. 2:11-14 · Paul shows that he was more “righteous” than Peter, the one in whose name these “false brethren” probably said they studied under. 2:15-21 · This is the whole thrust of Galatians, although the Torah (Law) is just, holy and good no one is justified in God’s eyes by it. No one could keep the Torah the way the Father intended except Yeshua. Chapter 3 3:1-5 · Chastisement for abandoning the truth about grace received through faith; you received the gift of the Holy Spirit by faith, not by any righteous acts. 3:6-9 · Abraham was declared righteous by faith alone just as Gentiles are declared righteous by faith alone. Circumcision served as a seal/sign of the covenant (Genesis 17:11) just as circumcision of the heart by the Holy Spirit is a seal/sign of the renewed covenant (2 Corinthians 1:22). Note: Grace by faith is not a New Testament concept but was established before the birth of Israel. 3:10-14 · Everyone who tries to earn his righteousness is under the burden of keeping the whole law perfectly. By faith we receive the Holy Spirit who enables us to be conformed to His image. 3:15-25 · Ratifying another contract does not do away with the previous contract. Thus the Mosaic covenant did not nullify the Abrahamic covenant received by faith. The law was given to show what sin is, to show our need for a Saviour and to point the way to Messiah. Once a child reaches adulthood does he forget all the do’s and don’ts he was taught growing up? No, he understands the reasons behind the do’s and don’ts more fully and is more able to keep them with the right motives. 3:26-29 · You are under an “Old Testament” promise that was first given to Abraham. You are now a literal descendant of Abraham and thus an heir to his inheritance. Please note that although the scriptures do not specifically outline the commandments, Yahweh states in Genesis 26:5 that his seed is blessed “because Abraham obeyed me and kept my requirements, my commands, my decrees and my laws." Deuteronomy 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed (that’s us), to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou MAYEST LIVE.” How do we live? Matthew 19:16-17 “And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?…but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.” |
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4 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | Taleb | 73872 | ||
Greg, Do you believe EVERYTHING Paul wrote? Many take a verse here or there, and skim right over all the clues spelled out. Your quote, “Yahweh states in Genesis 26:5 that his seed is blessed “because Abraham obeyed me and kept my requirements, my commands, my decrees and my laws," gave me the CLUE that perhaps you don’t believe everything. Where is “Yahweh” first mentioned in Scriptures? Exodus 6:2 explained that until Moses, nobody had ever heard of Yahweh. In effect, God said, “Moses, I’m Yahweh, I appeared to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as El Shaddai, but by my name Yahweh I did not make myself known to them." Like so many other verses in the Scriptures, translators use a blanket "God, Lord, etc." in place of the "dozens of names" God refers to Himself, according to His multiple "characteristics” He wants to convey. So for you to say, “Yahweh states in Genesis 26:5 that his seed is blessed “because Abraham obeyed me and kept my requirements, my commands, my decrees and my laws," isn’t entirely true, right? Am I being too technical? Sound familiar? Also, since you brought it up, Galatians 3:15-25 · You wrote: “Ratifying another contract does not do away with the previous contract. Thus the Mosaic covenant did not nullify the Abrahamic covenant received by faith. The law was given to show what sin is, to show our need for a Savior and to point the way to Messiah. Once a child reaches adulthood does he forget all the do’s and don’ts he was taught growing up? No, he understands the reasons behind the do’s and don’ts more fully and is more able to keep them with the right motives.” Paul wrote: 3:18-19 “If the inheritance is BY the law, then it is NO LONGER by promise. Why then was the law given? It was added to show sins in their true light UNTIL the “Offspring” should come concerning whom the promise was made.” Who is this offspring concerning whom the promise was made? Back up to 3:15. (This “ties” in with your statement, “Yahweh states in Genesis 26:5 that his seed is blessed “because Abraham obeyed me …”) Paul writes, “But the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his offspring (means it was also spoken to Abraham’s offspring). It does not say, ‘And to the offsprings,' in the plural, but in the singular, ‘And to your offspring’, which is Christ.” Chapter three ends with the wonderful words that fit everything in their place. “But if you are Christ’s then you are the offspring of Abraham, you are heirs in agreement with the promise.” Not in agreement with obeying the law. One must understand the HUGE differences between God’s “commandments” AND His "law" to understand Jesus' response in your own quote, Matthew 19:16-17 “And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?…but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.” Peace, Taleb |
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5 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | gjboone | 73889 | ||
Taleb, It must be late, I almost completely missed your point about Yahweh. When I am writing Yahweh and YHWH to me they are the same as Mr. and Mister. Quote:"So for you to say, “Yahweh states in Genesis 26:5 that his seed is blessed “because Abraham obeyed me and kept my requirements, my commands, my decrees and my laws," isn’t entirely true, right?" SURE IT IS. The Creator is referred to 141 times in Genesis alone as YHWH (Strong's 3068). If you have a concordance handy please read Genesis 15:7 "And he SAID unto him, I am the LORD (3068) that brought thee (Abram) out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it." One of many times, evidently there is more that needs to be uncovered regarding Exodus 6:2. Isaiah 8:20 "To the law (Torah) and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is NO LIGHT in them." John 8:12 "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I AM THE LIGHT of the world: he that FOLLOWETH me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. If you believe what the Old Testament is telling us, anyone who speaks against the "law and the testimony" is in darkness. Law and commandment are relational just as "Torah"(8451) and "mitzpat" (4687). One does not replace the other, one comprises the other. "Hey Israel remember those 4,000 years well I was only kidding. I have found a new, special breed of people that believe I exist just like the demons do. Back when Adam sinned I was a real stickler but now that I have changed sin can abide in my presence. Although I designed the earth and created certain animals for food and others for garbage collection, that's all changed now. Yes go ahead eat ham on easter in honor of me. Pretend I told you to celebrate my birthday on the winter soltice don't worry about it being the known birthday of a pagan sungod. Those festivals I said to celebrate forever, I really did not mean forever, although we will start it back up during the millenium. Best of all now you get to spend eternity doing whatever you want, whenever you want. Yep, ignore the other 64 books of the Bible and just focus on Paul. I asked too much of you before, things are different now. " Isaiah 30:9 "...this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law (Torah) of the LORD:10 Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us SMOOTH THINGS (rapture), prophesy deceits (once saved always saved):11 Get you out of the way, turn aside out of the path, cause the Holy One of Israel to cease from before us." Shalom, Greg Boone |
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6 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | Taleb | 73990 | ||
Greg, sorry about not getting back right away. My schedule is not always conducive to my desires. Thank you Greg, for your response to my earlier post, last Friday. It demonstrates perfectly where some problems you are having are coming from. (But then it was late). Apparently, you skim over, rather than read. Otherwise, why did you conclude: “You do not have to believe Paul is an unbeliever to explain his writings. I ask you why do you think the following statement made its way into the Bible, realizing whom the author really is?” How did you arrive at such a conclusion? I wrote: “While he (my relative) KNEW the book of Hebrews specifically denounced his logic (?), he refused to accept that writing because he claimed Paul was an unbeliever.” This time through, did you notice, it was my relative who had a problem with Paul? If not, slow down, take a deep breath, slowly let it out. Again. Again. There, now the blood should flow easier and that should make it easier for you to understand the simple basics of God’s word. Reread the above paragraph. Your questioning the facts about Yahweh not being in Scripture prior to Exodus is understandable. A lot of other people are surprised about that fact too. (Especially the JW’s. who over uses the name (?) Jehovah.) Just now, I checked out a “reliable source’ – The Jewish Encyclopedia (something I’ve recently discovered), it agrees with what I have learned over the years. While the “reasons” Genesis “seems to use” that name are fewer than the reasoning behind the truth that, like I said, Adam up to Moses never heard, nor spoke it, stands firm. Quoted about Yhwh: “This name, according to the narrative in Ex. iii. it was made known to Moses in a vision at Horeb. In another, parallel narrative (Ex. vi. 2, 3, P) it is stated that the name was not known to the Patriarchs. It is used by one of the documentary sources of Genesis, but scarcely if at all by the others. Its use is avoided by some later writers also. It does not occur in Ecclesiastes, and in Daniel is found only in ch. ix.” To give you a glimpse of some my reason for mentioning about Yahweh, like so many other verses in the Scriptures, the “English” translators too often use a blanket "God, Lord, etc." in place of the "dozens of names" God refers to Himself, according to His multiple "characteristics” He wants to convey. So, Exodus 6:2 remains what it remains. And like all other truth, it doesn’t matter if one believes it or not. Your statement: “Law and commandment are relational just as "Torah"(8451) and "mitzpat" (4687). One does not replace the other, one comprises the other,” --- gives me another clue about where some of your problem flows from. One MUST understand the HUGE differences between God’s “commandments” AND His "law", as I mentioned before. He “commanded” Adam, Noah, Abraham, etc. long before He “laid down any laws”. His commands didn’t offer the exceptions that His laws did. (“Under this or that situation, do this or that, under the other, do the other” type laws, is what I mean here.) His commands never deviated. His laws often did. More to come, Taleb |
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7 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | gjboone | 74028 | ||
Taleb, Heuristic #1: The first conclusion you jump to is not necessarily the correct one. When I said "You do not have to believe Paul is an unbeliever to explain his writings" I was separating myself from your relative. He said Paul was an unbeliever, I say he was a believer---separation. A little more reflection would have spared us both 3 paragraphs. Quote:"Your questioning the facts about Yahweh not being in Scripture prior to Exodus is understandable. A lot of other people are surprised about that fact too. (Especially the JW’s. who over uses the name (?) Jehovah.)" Taleb, I clearly stated, "The Creator is referred to 141 times in Genesis alone as YHWH (Strong's 3068)." Hueristic #2: "slow down, take a deep breath, slowly let it out. Again. Again. There, now the blood should flow easier and that should make it easier for you to understand the simple basics" of the English language. Enough. I do not want to banter with you Taleb, it is non-productive. Here are the two witnesses: Exodus 6:2 "And God (0430) spake (01696) unto Moses, (04872) and said (0559) unto him, I am the LORD: (03068)" Genesis 15:7 "And he said (0559) unto him, I am the LORD (03068) that brought thee out (03318) of Ur (0218) of the Chaldees, (03778) to give (05414) thee this land (0776) to inherit (03423) it." If you look up the Strong's number (3068) next to LORD it will show YHWH. Admittedly, the reason for a discrepancy may be where the vowel points are placed but it is YHWH. I am trying to respond to your "law vs commandment" but I am not sure I understand it. All I was saying about law/commandment vs Torah/mitzpat was just as we have a "Bill of Rights" (law/Torah) it is comprised of individual rights such as "to bear arms" (commandment/mitzpat) Taleb, I welcome a productive discussion of anything that concerns you. By the way, I sense you may think I am a JW, I am not. Greg Boone |
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