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1 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | stjones | 74008 | ||
Greg; I'm sorry you don't know what I meant by "Christian"; I thought my post made it fairly clear; let me repeat it for you. I said "To the world, the label is just a category. To the Christian, however, it is a seal given by God, it is an admission of sin and dependence on Jesus. It is a badge of honor given to the unworthy, to be worn with humility, in the knowledge that it [is] given only by the grace of God through the shed blood of Christ." But, since you explained what the label means to you - a category that describes a "pork-eating, Sabbath-breaking, replacement theologist who ignores the Biblical festivals in favor of man-made pagan rituals", we all have a very clear answer to Hank's question. Thanks. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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2 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | gjboone | 74044 | ||
Steve, You do not see a conflict with me professsing to the world that I am a "Christian" when I do not do what "Christians" do? I am in fellowship with the Creator of this universe. He has called me out of darkness into His marvelous light. How anyone of you care to label me is a non-issue. The issues are should children of YHWH be "pork-eating, Sabbath-breaking, replacement theologist who ignore the Biblical festivals in favor of man-made pagan rituals". I submit to you the answer is NO. I believe that what I profess is consistent across testaments and I am more than willing to discuss any topic, despite my lack of a label. Rest assured, I always use scripture to validate my stand (can a heretic do that?). Greg Boone |
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3 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | stjones | 74059 | ||
Greg; "Rest assured, I always use scripture to validate my stand (can a heretic do that?)." All the time; it's the oldest trick in the book. Indy |
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4 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | gjboone | 74204 | ||
Steve, What are you saying? "Don't confuse me with scripture, I'm content with my doctrine and tradition. I rely on the noble interpretations of our gentile church fathers instead of the inspired word." I would think a heretic would be more apt to ignore scripture than rely on it. Greg Boone |
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5 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | stjones | 74216 | ||
Greg; If heretics didn't twist Scripture to suit their own ideas, it wouldn't be heresy, it would be philosophy. Paul admonishes us to "See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ." (Col 2:8). Wrapping "hollow and deceptive philosophy" in Scripture makes it a little more palatable to those who try to heed Paul's advice. Indy |
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6 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | gjboone | 75093 | ||
Steve, What is Paul saying here prior to leaving the Gentile church to go to Jerusalem? Acts 20:28 "TAKE HEED therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. 29 For I KNOW THIS, that after my departing shall GRIEVOUS WOLVES enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of YOUR OWN SELVES (Gentiles) shall men arise, speaking PERVERSE THINGS, to draw away disciples after them. 31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I CEASED NOT TO WARN every one night and day with tears. It sounds like Paul is warning the Gentile church that they will be infiltrated by false teachers telling them "perverse things" like "the law has passed away" or "once saved always saved". "Perverse things" is Strong's 1294 which means "to turn aside from the right path, to pervert, corrupt." Do you find anything heretical about this statement? I believe Paul foresaw the heresy that has come upon the "church" prophetically when he spoke in Acts 20:28 and it brought him to tears. He sees this so clearly that in verses 26-27 he absolves himself from what is going to happen. Acts 20:26 "Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I AM PURE FROM THE BLOOD OF ALL MEN. 27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you ALL THE COUNSEL OF GOD. Hmmm, I wonder what "all the counsel of God" was then since the "law" had already passed away. Maybe he preached on grace for 3 years. Greg Boone |
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7 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | stjones | 75123 | ||
Greg; I just read this passage yesterday and thought of you. Your position is unfathomable to me. "So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God. For when we were controlled by the sinful nature, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, so that we bore fruit for death. But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code." (Romans 7:4-6) This is a fruitless discussion. You choose the law, I choose grace. You believe that all of Christendom is wrong and you are right. I don't. I have no idea what your faith is but it seems unrelated to mine. Consequently, I can't see that you have anything of value to say about mine. Indy |
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8 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | gjboone | 75943 | ||
You our doing me a disservice , I would not give up on you. The problem may be that you have only been exposed to one perspective. Please see this excerpt of a commentary on Romans. http://www.yashanet.com/studies/romstudy/text07a.htm Paul's argument in Romans, is similar to one he made in Philippians, chapter 3, when he said he counted the past things he relied on for righteousness, "as dung." Again, due to the lack of knowledge of where Paul, (the rabbi and Pharisee) is coming from, this section is also often used to teach that Paul no longer followed Torah. This is not what Philippians (or Galatians, or Colossians, or any of Paul's writings) says however. Paul is not asserting that God's holy Torah is "dung" -- rather, he is saying that his efforts in trying to achieve righteousness by following Torah commandments on his own, outside of faith, is an exercise in futility. He counts his legalistic approach to Torah as "dung." In Philippians, Paul is teaching along the same lines as he does in Romans, not trying to achieve salvation by doing the "works of the Law" in one's own righteousness, but through faith in Yeshua: Philippians 3:9 - Paul's righteousness as a Jew, prior to his "meeting" with Yeshua, was erroneously placed in his own ability to follow the Torah to "earn" his salvation. Paul's teaching (in all his letters) is that we cannot do this on our own. We are to trust in the "righteousness which is of God by faith," and then follow His Torah with His spirit in us. "Believing in the Messiah" is not the end of the road (as is effectively taught by Christianity). Trusting in Yeshua is the door to the path we are to follow -- the path of Torah. Note that in the same chapter of Philippians, Paul does not presume to say that "just by believing" he is guaranteed salvation: Philippians 3:11-14 - If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus...I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Paul's admonition was for the Philippians to walk in the same path he did, (which was Torah): 5 For when we were in the flesh This verse looks back at the past from which we were delivered. The Torah (even today), leads us to salvation through its "negative commands," (i.e. "Thou shall not ..."), that both regulates sin in the life of an unbeliever, and causes us to see that we fall short of God's standards.2 We then realize the need to die to our sin (and to the judgment of Torah) and make way for God's spirit to enable us to do what the Torah demands. See notes to verse 6 below for the "positive aspects" of Torah. 6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. This verse clarifies what Paul was saying with his analogy (verse 1-4) and looks ahead to what will be said in chapter 8. In "dying" to sin, and making room in your will to "let God in," a person is now governed by the "positive commandments" of the Torah (i.e. walking according to the Spirit and not the flesh, re: 8:1-15). Paul makes it clear that we still serve God (i.e., follow His ways as He gave in the Torah.) A person must serve one of two masters. He is either "bound" in the oldness of the letter to serve his Yetzer Hara (evil inclination), or he is "freed" from this inclination to serve God. (Of course this does not mean he will never sin - even King David sinned, yet he declared himself [in Psalms, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit] to be "righteous according to the Torah.") A breakdown of Romans 7:6 is as a follows: "But now we are delivered from the law" - We are delivered from the condemnation of the Torah that came when we tried to follow it outside of faith and failed. Refer to the "curse of the Law" mentioned in our background study. "... being dead wherein we were held" - Because Yeshua paid the penalty (by His death), for our violation of God's Torah, we have been released from this sentence (the fruit of unbelievers is death, re: 7:5). We are not released from the entirety of Torah however, only certain aspects, (i.e., its condemnation) just as the woman in the analogy of verses 7:1-4, was only released from certain aspects of the Torah. "... serve in newness of spirit" - Those of the Spirit continue to "serve" (i.e., follow Torah - re: Romans 8:2-8) "... not in the oldness of the letter." - Outside of faith, we can only grasp at the "letter of the Law." We are no longer to serve God in a lifeless spirit of self-righteous legalism, or misuse of God's Torah. We are now to follow it out of love of God, as Torah is holy, righteous and good (6:12), as well as spiritual (6:14). |
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