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1 | Paul's evil practices Pre or PostJesus | Rom 7:19 | Morant61 | 64105 | ||
Greetings Whatever! This is a tough question on which reasonable people can and do disagree. However, my position is that Paul is describing his life apart from Christ and under the Law in Rom. 7:7-25. Here are my reasons. 1) There is a contrast made between Rom. 7:7-25 and Rom. 8:1-17. This is one of the cases where chapter divisions are less than helpful. The person described in Rom. 7 is: a) A slave to sin - Rom. 7:14. b) Subject to the Law of sin - Rom. 7:23 and 25. However, in Rom. 8, the person is described as one who: a) Is not condemned - Rom. 8:1. b) Has been set free from the Law of sin - Rom. 8:2. c) Is not controlled by the sinful nature - Rom. 8:9. So, there is a clear distinction made between the person described in Rom. 7 and the one described in Rom. 8. What is the difference? The one in Rom. 7 is trying to obey the Law apart from Christ and is unable to do so because of their sin nature. The person in Rom. 8 has been made alive by the Spirit of Christ and is now led by the Spirit. 2) The second reason I believe that Rom. 7 cannot refer to a believer is because of Rom. 6. Romans 6 makes statements that cannot be reconciled with the view that Rom. 7 describes a Christians ongoing struggle with sin. Consider the following: a) We have died to sin - Rom. 6:2. b) Our old self was crucified with Christ - Rom. 6:6. c) The body of sin has been done away with - Rom. 6:6. d) We are no longer slaves to sin - Rom. 6:6. e) Sin is not our master - Rom. 6:14. These statements cannot be reconciled with the view that Rom. 7 is speaking of a believer who continually struggles with sin. In particular, Rom. 7:14 says that this person is a slave to sin, but Rom. 6:6 says that believers are not slaves to sin. I hope this helps! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Paul's evil practices Pre or PostJesus | Rom 7:19 | DocTrinsograce | 168999 | ||
Dear Brother Tim, I have argued this point with you a number of times. Since the last time we discussed it, I've spent considerable study in Romans in general, and in this passage in particular. I am now persuaded that that the Romans 7:7ff is autobiographical nature, representing a period in Paul's life before he was saved. In other words: I was wrong. I still disagree with the notion of sinless perfection. However, Romans 7 is clearly not a passage that teaches progressive sanctification. Thank you for your patient instruction. In Him, Doc |
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3 | Paul's evil practices Pre or PostJesus | Rom 7:19 | Morant61 | 169004 | ||
Greetings Doc! It is good to hear from you my friend. My family and I have been sick, so I haven't been quite as active on the forum over the last couple of weeks. Further, my oldest daughter is expecting twins this coming Thursday. :-) This will make four grandchildren. :-() I too have been studying a lot from Romans lately. I have been preaching through the book during our Sunday morning services. It has been an interesting study. Though, I have had to take a break now with the Lenten season being upon us. :-) Now, the notion of 'sinless perfection' is a fun study since everyone means something differently when they speak of it. When I first came into association with the Church of the Nazarenes, I did a lot of reading about this issue. Wesley did not use it much, or at least he did not prefer it. He liked the term 'perfect love' better. That would be a fun study for some time. Well, I have to go get some groceries. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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