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1 | Paul's evil practices Pre or PostJesus | Rom 7:19 | Whatever | 64102 | ||
Is Paul specifically referring to his current stuggle and condition (practicing evil) even after many years of following Jesus or his condition PRIOR to his conversion | ||||||
2 | Paul's evil practices Pre or PostJesus | Rom 7:19 | Reformer Joe | 64110 | ||
I take the opposite position from Tim. I believe that Paul is describing his post-conversion life in Romans 7, and here are MY reasons: 1. Romans 1 through most of Romans 3 treats the spiritual condition of the unregenerate Jew and Gentile. From that point through most of Romans 5, Paul describes the role of Christ in our justification. After that point, Paul is describing why the Christian should not live in sin. In other words, he seems to be describing the sanctification of the believer. The whole thing seems to follow a chronology from unregenerate life to justification through faith in Christ to the "not letting sin reign" in our mortal bodies. 2. It is obvious that a Christian is not free from the struggle with sin, and all of us continue to fail. Paul did not attain sinless perfection in this life any more than I will, so it is not inconsistent with Paul's internal struggle described in Romans 7. 3. Paul writes "For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members." (Romans 7:22-23). The unsaved person does NOT joyfully concur with the Law of God. The pagan does not struggle between serving God and obeying the residual sin in his life, because the unsaved person does not do ANYTHING that pleases God (Romans 8:6-8). 4. Paul is describing a struggle between the flesh (commonly used in the epistles as a description of our tendency -- even as Christians -- to sin) and the mind. Paul even says in the last verse that he is serving the law of God with his mind, another thing not characteristic of the unsaved individual. --Joe! |
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3 | Paul's evil practices Pre or PostJesus | Rom 7:19 | hobbs | 169026 | ||
I don't know about thr rest of you fellas...but if Tim is right, I'm in a world of hurt! Romans 7 describes me to a T. In fact, this particuler chapter has been of great comfort to me in my pilgrimage here on earth. As a new creature in Christ, it is my desire to please my Lord and glorify Him in everything I say and do. However, not a day goes by that I don't fail miseribly. That which I want to do, I, don't do. As a consequence, I find myself looking to Christ and what He has done on my behalf. I have come to understand there is nothing that I can do to add to or subtract from my salvation. My carnal nature has been crucified with Christ. It is a bonified corpse. When I am weak He is strong. It is no longer I that live, it is Christ living in me. Therfore, I confess my sin; pray for the grace of sanctification; humble myself in the sight of the Lord and give Him all the glory. John |
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4 | Paul's evil practices Pre or PostJesus | Rom 7:19 | Morant61 | 169042 | ||
Greetings John! You wrote: "I don't know about thr rest of you fellas...but if Tim is right, I'm in a world of hurt!" Here is a repost of my original comments! ***************** Greetings Whatever! This is a tough question on which reasonable people can and do disagree. However, my position is that Paul is describing his life apart from Christ and under the Law in Rom. 7:7-25. Here are my reasons. 1) There is a contrast made between Rom. 7:7-25 and Rom. 8:1-17. This is one of the cases where chapter divisions are less than helpful. The person described in Rom. 7 is: a) A slave to sin - Rom. 7:14. b) Subject to the Law of sin - Rom. 7:23 and 25. However, in Rom. 8, the person is described as one who: a) Is not condemned - Rom. 8:1. b) Has been set free from the Law of sin - Rom. 8:2. c) Is not controlled by the sinful nature - Rom. 8:9. So, there is a clear distinction made between the person described in Rom. 7 and the one described in Rom. 8. What is the difference? The one in Rom. 7 is trying to obey the Law apart from Christ and is unable to do so because of their sin nature. The person in Rom. 8 has been made alive by the Spirit of Christ and is now led by the Spirit. 2) The second reason I believe that Rom. 7 cannot refer to a believer is because of Rom. 6. Romans 6 makes statements that cannot be reconciled with the view that Rom. 7 describes a Christians ongoing struggle with sin. Consider the following: a) We have died to sin - Rom. 6:2. b) Our old self was crucified with Christ - Rom. 6:6. c) The body of sin has been done away with - Rom. 6:6. d) We are no longer slaves to sin - Rom. 6:6. e) Sin is not our master - Rom. 6:14. These statements cannot be reconciled with the view that Rom. 7 is speaking of a believer who continually struggles with sin. In particular, Rom. 7:14 says that this person is a slave to sin, but Rom. 6:6 says that believers are not slaves to sin. **************** Scripturally speaking, which part of the above analysis is not accurate? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | Paul's evil practices Pre or PostJesus | Rom 7:19 | hobbs | 169058 | ||
7:14 For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin. Christ did not die to redeem our flesh: For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please.Gal 5:17 The flesh is the home of sin and this burden uder which we groan will not be removed until the end of our life or the return of our Lord. 1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. For a christian, any sin is a grievous act and should not be taken lightly. That is why I believe Paul was speaking in the present tense. It seems a hopeless situation until we read the following chapter which begins with "therefore". Beddie Bye time. John |
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6 | Paul's evil practices Pre or PostJesus | Rom 7:19 | Morant61 | 169062 | ||
Greetings John! So, would you argue then that Christians are still slaves to sin? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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