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1 | Paul's evil practices Pre or PostJesus | Rom 7:19 | jlhetrick | 169365 | ||
Hello John, My thoughts as well, but with some additional thought. I'm not sure that I agree that this issue compromises the foundation of our regeneration; no matter which way we understand it. I say this because the bible adequately teaches both the continuation of our trials in the flesh; and the freedom of sin through Christ. So if Paul is speaking of himself before, or after his regeneration, this is only one portion of scripture. The truth of both conditions (pre- and post regeneration) is adequately addressed in the big picture. Just wanted to add some thought. Christ's Love, Jeff |
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2 | Paul's evil practices Pre or PostJesus | Rom 7:19 | jlhetrick | 169368 | ||
Addendum to my last post I wrote: "I say this because the bible adequately teaches both the continuation of our trials in the flesh; and the freedom of sin through Christ." Changing to: I say this because the bible adequately teaches both the continuation of our trials in the flesh; and the freedom FROM sin through Christ (no longer slaves to sin). Hope this clarifies, Jeff |
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3 | Paul's evil practices Pre or PostJesus | Rom 7:19 | hobbs | 169397 | ||
Hi Jeff, What do you think Paul means when he says in Rom 7:17 So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. In so many places he refers to himself as dead. For instance: He states that it is longer "I" that live, but it Christ dwelling in me. It is also clear that the key to understanding Romans is grace. Just a few thoughts before I return to work. John |
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4 | Paul's evil practices Pre or PostJesus | Rom 7:19 | jlhetrick | 169419 | ||
Hello John, Paul is clearly stating what some try to offer arguments against. That is, while Paul was a new creation in Christ, he continued to live on earth inhibited by the flesh that continued to be subject to (not enslaved by) temptation and sin. There are those who preach and teach things around this topic that can not be supported by scripture in any context. Yet they continue to argue against the plainly written, clear language. It's amazing to me. Some would have us in our ressurected bodies before the appointed time. Where Paul talkes about: Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I that live, but Christ living in me: and that (life) which I now live in the flesh I live in faith, (the faith) which is in the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself up for me. (ASV) he makes clear in the following verse: Gal 2:21 I do not make void the grace of God: for if righteousness is through the law, then Christ died for nought. ASV As we know, Paul (formally Saul) was a Jew and a Pharasee. Before he had lived his life focused on the the Law. As a Christian his focuse was no longer on the law, but on grace. Notice in verse 20, "and that (life) which I now live in the flesh I live in faith..." Paul does not denie his existance or the fact that he is still Paul the man. Paul was referring to that which sustained him. That is, before Christ, paul the man saw the law as his salvation, as his link to God. After Christ, that Paul ceased to exist. That Paul is dead, and in actuality, always was dead. Now in Christ, however, Paul points to grace only as his life-giving source. Jeff |
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5 | Paul's evil practices Pre or PostJesus | Rom 7:19 | hobbs | 169422 | ||
Thanks for your insights Jeff. Some times we can't see the forest because the trees are in our way. Chapter 7 of Romans is about the Law and it's defense. That the problem is not the Law. The problem is Paul! So, if Paul had not reached perfection, I have along long way to go!! Good Night Jeff, John |
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6 | Paul's evil practices Pre or PostJesus | Rom 7:19 | jlhetrick | 169423 | ||
Hi again John, Yes, you do have a long, long way to go. So do I. Fortunately the One who started the good work in both of us, is faithful to complete it. Good night John, Jeff |
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