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NASB | 1 Corinthians 9:25 Everyone who competes in the games exercises self-control in all things. They then do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | 1 Corinthians 9:25 Now every athlete who [goes into training and] competes in the games is disciplined and exercises self-control in all things. They do it to win a crown that withers, but we [do it to receive] an imperishable [crown that cannot wither]. |
Subject: self control / spirit control |
Bible Note: Continued from above: Do the teachings of the LORD (Torah) ever become obsolete? If so, then LORD is obsolete. Are they on the cafeteria plan where you can just pick the ones you like and leave the rest? Were the teachings weak, faulty and too difficult and had to be replaced?…..if so then the LORD is weak, faulty and He expects way too much. Frankly, I think that speaking against the LORD’s teachings (Torah) is blasphemy and refusing to live by any or all of them is presumptuous sin which is defined as wickedness. Look at your statement, “. Regenerated people (saints) have two natures, one carnal and the other spiritual. The carnal (old man) is a slave to sin. The spiritual man a slave to righteousness (new creature). We are to consider ourselves dead to sin and alive to Christ. In other words, because our righteousness is by faith and not by works. Therefore (in Christ) we have an imputed righteousness and the keeping of the law was "fullfiled" by Him.” For one thing, since you chose to use the word “saints”, look at how Rev 14:12 defines “saints”…..”the saints…obey God's commandments AND remain faithful to Y’shua.” Where do you find God’s commandments? Hmmmmmm? How many of them are operative for these saints? Are the regenerated “saints” of which you speak obeying the commandments of God (works)…..or is it faith in Jesus only that qualifies them for sainthood? Notice the word “AND” in 14:12,…..it is not “either/or”. Now analyze your statement, “Therefore (in Christ) we have an imputed righteousness and the keeping of the law was "fullfiled" by Him.” (I’m assuming that you mean the same as that popular Christian teaching, “We don’t have to do the Torah because Jesus did it for us.”) Again, put the words “the teachings of the LORD” in place of “law”. What then does your statement mean? What actually does Y’shua’s claim that He came to fulfill the Torah mean? If you will look up the word “fulfill”, you’ll see it means to fill in a hole. Therefore, what did Y’shua do in coming to fulfill the Torah? He came to further expounded upon the LORD’s teachings to correct a lot of misunderstandings and misapplications, i.e. to fill In the holes. Now, Christianity isn’t just misapplying Torah….she’s completely thrown it out….in which case she’s even worse than a Pharisee. As for your closing question, “Do you believe that keeping the Torah contributes in any way to "justification"?” Well let’s see: Ro 2:13 “For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.” Ja 2:24 “You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.” MT 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. (I’m assuming that the Torah [teaching] of the Father is the expression of His will; please correct me if I’m wrong.) My answer to your question is thereby a definite “you betcha!”. Singing the Song of Moses and the Song of the Lamb…….Bub |