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1 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | stjones | 54482 | ||
Alright, once more. You said "it would be painful to directly answer the question in that Hebrews 3 and 4 is talking about Torah". Not painful; wrong. I don't read Greek, so I seldom turn to a lexicon, but for you I'll make an exception. The Greek word translated as "gospel" ("Euaggelizo") does not mean Torah; it means good news. The author used the Greek word "nomos" when he meant Torah. They are different words with different meanings. So get out your magic marker because you're going to have to change what the inspired author of Hebrews wrote. And then you're going have to explain away the contradition caused by your substitution of words. The words the author wrote (not the words you wish he had written) include the warning that to trust in the Torah is to trample Jesus. There is nothing ambiguous about the warnings in chapters 6 and 10. And the book of Hebrews is entirely consistent with Galations. The Judaizers where heretics and those who fell for their heresy - whether Gentile or Jew - risked paying a terrible price. No Christian in Galatia, this forum, or anywhere else should be taken in by this false teaching. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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2 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 54516 | ||
Dear Indiana..... I did not say that the word "gospel" was the word "Torah". The word "gospel" in Heb 4 is referring to Torah. Hebrews is saying that Moses taught the "gospel" to the people he brought out of Egypt and then goes on to say it is the same gospel that was taught unto "us". Heb 4:2 "FOR UNTO US (new testament types) WAS THE GOSPEL PREACHED AS WELL AS UNTO THEM (the old testament types)." What then was and is this gospel that both groups received? Bub |
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3 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | stjones | 54574 | ||
Hi, Bub; I see you don't hesitate to wield that magic marker. I trust that had God meant Torah instead of gospel, he would have inspired the writer to say Torah instead of gospel. Both God and the writer knew and used both words. I've aleady defined gospel for you: the good news - not the Law - the good news of God's grace. Grace is not a NT concept, neither is the good news announcing it. God's grace was revealed in the Garden. In Moses' case it was the gospel of grace revealed in the deliverance from Egypt, recalled in countless prayers, songs, psalms, and rituals. When the people turned their back on that grace (before and after they received the Law), they received the punishment the writer of Hebrews referred to. Furthermore, you will find references in Hebrews (11:13, 39) and elsewhere (Colossians 1:25-27) to the Israelites not understanding the mystery or not receiving what was promised. Jesus is the mystery, the promise, and the culmination of grace. That's good news; that's the gospel the writer of Hebrews was talking about. No twisting of words will change that. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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4 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 54577 | ||
Dear Indiana, Please see Lev 26 for the good news, the bad news and the grace of the LORD. Notice that the "good news" bottom line is "I will set my tabernacle among you....and I will walk among you, and will be your God, and you shall be my people." (Lev 26:11-12). This promise of the "good news" of Lev 26 is fullfilled in Rev 21:3 practically verbatim. There's a lot of "Jewishness" going on in the Revelation. Singing the Song of Moses and the Song of the Lamb.....Bub |
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5 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | stjones | 54578 | ||
Hi, Bub; Ok; it's time to agree to disagree on this. Still waiting to hear about your sacrifices. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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6 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 54603 | ||
Dear Indiana...... Done deal Steve.....the babies are officially in bed. Bub |
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