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1 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 46648 | ||
OK. Here's what I was going to say earlier to Steve. I listened to Dr. Ehrman lecture for an entire week at a seminar sponsered by the Biblical Archaeology Society, of which I am a member. Here are some quotes from his lectures: "No original texts (in Aramaic or Hebrew) exist, or at least have not been found yet." "At present, there are about 5,400 fragments, pages, parts of books in Greek scattered through the world in archives, libraries, museums, etc. That's it. And NONE of them are the same. As scribes copied them, mistakes were made and words changed. And mistakes mulitply." During the 1700's, a man by the name of John Hill found 30,000 differences in writings, based on 100 then known manuscripts. As more pieces have been discovered (5,400), hundreds of thousands of variants have been found---more than all the words in the New Testament! Yes, "Q" is theoretical, however the people who write for the Biblical Archaeology Review, or give TV interviews for Discovery, TLC, History, etc. channels (all of which are secular), persistantly refer to this possible list of sayings by Jesus. 'Course, if you want "sayings", I suppose you could just read the Gospel of Thomas---but I imagine that you are in disagreement with that document also. As a really good example of how words were added, just check your bibles for the last 12 verses of Mark (which was the first book to be written down). If your bible is "up front", it will be noted in the footnotes that all of these 12 verses were added much later. In other words, they were NOT part of the original text. Going to eat supper---I'm sure more discussion will follow..............Nancy |
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2 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 46673 | ||
Greetings Nancy! Thanks for your response! As you agree that 'Q' is theoretical, I will not pursue this topic further except to note that one cannot quote a theoretical document! ;-) The reason many of these scholars pursue 'Q' is because since it does not exist they can make it 'say' whatever they want and disregard what they disagree with in the actual text of the Bible. Now, concerning textual variants, there are many variant readings, but the vast majority are simply spelling errors or word order differences (which makes little difference in Greek anyway). Textual variants are a problem with all ancient documents, in fact, it is still a problem with today's documents. But, as I noted before, NONE of the variant readings impact any major doctrine of Christianity. Even in the hands of fallible men, God's message has remained crystal clear. So, your task, if you want to convince anyone that these variant readings have impacted the message of the Bible is to produce examples where the text of the original manuscript has been totally obscured and the meaning of the original text changed in a way which impacts a major doctrine. After all, is there any real difference between "Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life" and "Jesus is the way, the trth, and the life"? If you had 3,000 documents which had the first phrase, and 1 which had the second phrase, I think you could figure out which was original and what the meaning was! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | IneffableUniverse | 46830 | ||
Oh, dear, Tim, I cannot believe you are so mistaken about "Q". I would love to answer your questions, however I have been warned that this forum is NOT for discussion. Like I told him, I guess blind faith in the bible must be nice. Afterall, ignorance can be bliss. You have to admit ONE thing: I sure got a few brains thinking!!! I mean, look at the length of that string!!! I haven't even responded to half of them. I think I did everybody as service! They were forced to open their bibles to reinforce the all the dogma thrust at them since childhood. Wanna read somethng interesting? Go to www.uucw.org. Please check out what our youth are taught in religious education classes ("Sunday school," to you.) There is a picture somewhere on the site that shows a small boy saying: "God loves me and so does Jesus, Great Spirt, and Krishna." I like that. |
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4 | Where does Jesus say He is God? | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 46852 | ||
Greetings Nancy! This forum is not about "blind faith" in the Bible. It is a forum designed for those who have accepted the authority of the Bible to study it indepth. Most of those here, myself included, have done the research long ago to reach our understanding of the Bible's authority. But, I would like to challenge your "blind faith" :-) in everything that is not the Bible. Why would you accept what 'Q' or 'The gospel of Thomas' have to say, but reject what the Bible says? Both of these 'documents' were written at or about the same time as the Bible. Both were written with an agenda. So, what makes them more authoritative than the Bible? My position is that they are more acceptable to Unitarians because they don't make the same exclusive claims that the Bible makes. The Bible is not rejected because of any real evidence against it, but because of a bias against it's message. Because, if the Bible is true, than there is only one way to salvation - Jesus. If the Bible is true, man is lost apart from Christ. If the Bible is true, all other religions are misleading people. It is my belief that these are the reasons the Bible is rejected, not because of any evidence against its authority. If you really want to answer my questions, please e-mail me at Morant62@hotmail.com. I would be more than happy to discuss this issues with you. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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