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1 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | Simchat Torah | 53292 | ||
Shalom Johnny; As Yeshua said, all the law and prophets hang on these two commands, Love God and Love your neighbor. While many interpret this to mean that these are the only two commands that need to be followed, while others, myself included believe that the Torah teaches you how to Love God and Love your neighbor. Therefore the Torah stands, by this interpretation. In the passages that you quote about Yeshua “breaking” the Shabbat. Yeshua did not “break” the Shabbat, he was violating the additional commands of Torah that the Pharisees created “This was called building a fence around the Torah”. The Pharisees had created an additional set of Traditions that Yeshua did not recognize. When Yeshua used the terms abolish and fulfill, he is using terms used in Rabbinic arguments. To abolish the Torah means to give a false interpretation of the Torah, while to fulfill it means to give a correct interpretation. (Again, cultural context is necessary for understanding the words) Yeshua is saying that he came to give a correct interpretation of the Torah, which is the context of the remaining chapter as he continues to expand on the meanings of the Torah. For instance, the Torah says not to kill, he fulfills this command by stating that if you hate your brother, you have killed him. Because of the culture in which we live in, it is not possible to follow all of the commands of Torah such as your example of stoning someone for Shabbat violation (btw, the only violation of the Shabbat that brings the death sentence is making a fire or gathering wood). Our desire is to live in a nation where the commands of the Torah are the laws of the country, but this is not available today, not even in the land of Israel. So we follow the commands of Torah as best as possible, knowing that we cannot do them all. Many confuse the term Torah with Law, the Hebrew word does not mean law but teachings. The translation into Law is a result of the use of the Greek word nomos to translate Torah. The term law brings a negative view of Torah rather than a positive view as it should be. Law is the rules of a government binding on the people where violation is punished. Torah is the teachings of a parent to his children where violation is disciplined. Within Law there is no room for growth. Torah allows for growth. A child grows and learns how to take care of his responsibilities, just as we are to in the Torah. Shalom Simchat Torah |
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2 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | jlpangilinan | 53334 | ||
Are you a Christian or what. It seems that you love to followed moses than Christ. Did you observed all of them physically, if saw your brother gathering stick in the day of sabbath did you kill them? if you do these things we have no problem. You could be belong to a Jewish religion. Me I am a Christian, as I said everything that moses taught that Jesus dont teach anymore I will not obey. But all the teaching that moses taught, and Christ continue taught I will obey that. For example the two commandments it was given during the time of moses and Christ taught it also to His desciples. De 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. Le 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD. As Christian I am not justified by the law of moses. Ac 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. As a Christian, I am belong to the new covenant that made by Christ not according to the covenant made by God with thier fathers but of Christ. If you dont believed in this verse its up to you, maybe you are belong to a not Christian religion. and with all due respect you did not answers all my question to you. God bless, Johnny |
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3 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | Simchat Torah | 53340 | ||
Shalom Johnny; I love God, his Teachings, and Yeshua the Messiah with all my heart. My sole purpose is to do his will. But, I am not a Christian for the obvious reasons that you can see in my posts. I do not hold to standard Christian doctrine. You accuse me of loving Moses more than Yeshua, I do not understand how you got this when I may have only mentioned him once or twice. You may be confusing my love for the Torah with Moses. The Torah comes from God, not Moses. As Yeshua is God, then the Torah comes from him as well. You have stated that you only do what Yeshua says. He says that you are to teach all of the commands of Torah, even the least of them (Mat 5:17-19). You are correct, we cannot observe all of the commands, such as the stoning of one who lights a fire on Shabbat. Unfortunately there is no nation today that has the Torah as its body of law, until that day comes, we will not be able to live according to the Torah completely, but does this mean we throw the baby out with the bath water? If God creates something it must be good, and God created the Torah. How can observing commands given by the Supreme being himself be bad? How can a day of rest be considered evil? No once acusses Christians of being legalists or in bondage because they go to church on Sunday or celebrate Easter or Christmas, why are we considered legalists because we decide to rest on Saturday and celebrate the feasts that God designed? I also belong to the New Covenant of Yeshua as the covenant at Sinai is completed, obsolete and fading away. But remember what Jeremiah said about the New covenant in 31:31-33; "The time is coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them," declares the LORD."This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time," declares the LORD. "I will put my Torah in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. About the scriptures you posted; Ac 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. Agreed, no one is justified by the Torah but by the grace of God. Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. Correct, the old covenant is passed away. Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. This is a quote from the scripture I posted above, The new covenant is not the same as the covenant at Sinai. Shalom Simchat Torah |
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4 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | jlpangilinan | 53348 | ||
Your not a Christian, so we have no problem. Your point of view is different than mine so be it. You post this "You have stated that you only do what Yeshua says. He says that you are to teach all of the commands of Torah, even the least of them (Mat 5:17-19)." If I do what Christ said so what is it I am not going to do? I think you contradict yourself here. What is it anyway, I did disobey when I going to love God with all my heart, soul, might and etrength did I break the law when I did this? this question I raised in my previous post and you ignore to answer. What is it in the law I did not disobey if I am going to love my niehbor as I love my self? As I said to you Christ fulfill the law in the deep meaning without contradiction and I will try to follow that. The law said, thou shall not kill but it also has the teaching tom kill anyone that do things in the day of sabbath. You said:"How can observing commands given by the Supreme being himself be bad? How can a day of rest be considered evil? No once acusses Christians of being legalists or in bondage because they go to church on Sunday or celebrate Easter or Christmas, why are we considered legalists because we decide to rest on Saturday and celebrate the feasts that God designed? I am not saying that the command of the supreme being is bad I did not mentioned this, you accused me here in the things that I never committed. You must hate paul because what he was written is the one i am using to discuss with you. Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. I am not the one saying this my friend, it is the apostle of Christ, are they crazy when they write it? If you decide to rest on saturday its okay, God rest on Sabbath day, then you should hate Christ because He decide to do works on Sabbath day. He heal sick He gathered corn to eat with His desciples on sabbath day. You said "You are correct, we cannot observe all of the commands, such as the stoning of one who lights a fire on Shabbat." If you cannot observe all in the law, meaning you leave the other undone, let my God Christ call you hypocrites! Mt 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. God bless, Johnny |
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5 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | Simchat Torah | 53386 | ||
Shalom Johnny; You said; What is it anyway, I did disobey when I going to love God with all my heart, soul, might and etrength did I break the law when I did this? this question I raised in my previous post and you ignore to answer. The Torah shows us how to love God by keeping the Shabbat, the feasts, abstaining from certain foods, etc, your relationship with God is between you and him just as mine is between him and I. This is how I show love to God, I do not know how you do it, but I would be curious. You said; I am not saying that the command of the supreme being is bad I did not mentioned this, you accused me here in the things that I never committed. You must hate paul because what he was written is the one i am using to discuss with you. You are correct and I apologize for that, I am continually accused of this and made the statement without thinking. I guess a better question is if I do follow there Torah is there any harm in it? You said; Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. You also said; I am not the one saying this my friend, it is the apostle of Christ, are they crazy when they write it? I agree with this, the covenant at Sinai is replaced by the new covenant. You said; f you decide to rest on saturday its okay, God rest on Sabbath day, then you should hate Christ because He decide to do works on Sabbath day. He heal sick He gathered corn to eat with His desciples on sabbath day. Yeshua never broke the Shabbat command, he simply violated the additional laws that the Pharisees added to the Shabbat, these are what he had a problem with. You must recognize that Yeshua followed the Torah perfectly, as to be without sin (especially before the cross) meant that you did the Torah perfectly, as sin in defined by the Torah. Shalom Simchat Torah |
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6 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | jlpangilinan | 53442 | ||
Observe you tora my friend, and make sure that you observe it completely so My God will not call you hypocryte! I am a Christian and I am not justified by law but by Christ if you are not beieved it is you problem. Ac 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. If you tora has been faultless, we dont need Christ to save our sins. I am a Christian and your not you are not going to accept the teaching of Christian! so continue what you are doing it up to you. I am tired of it! God bless, Johnny |
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