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1 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 53701 | ||
Dear Hank…… I’m having an ongoing dialogue with Steve. My flippant use of the word “bunk” can’t be understood without knowing to what I am responding…..I didn’t think of the impact my statement would have when read as an isolated comment……..sorry. Here’s the deal, my original comment was, “There is no sacrifice for intentional, willful sin, including the blood of Y’shua. See I Jn 3:9; 5:18 and especially look at Heb 10:26-31 below and the comments following.” HEB 10:26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," and again, "The Lord will judge his people." 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.” Steve’s reply was, “And that was my point about misunderstanding or misapplying God's will to which you said "There is no grace nor sacrifice for willful sin, including the blood of Y’shua." With all due respect, that is pure bunk. Read 1 John 1:8-2:2. But I see why you're not worried about no longer being able to sacrifice since you have achieved perfection in this life. ;-) .” My remark, which you are addressing, was pure sarcasm……he said that what I said about there being no sacrifice, including Y’shua’s blood, for willful sin was “pure bunk”….if that statement is “pure bunk” then you have to conclude that Heb 10:26 is also “pure bunk”…that was my point. I hope you can follow that. Since I have your ear and respect your opinion…….am I correct in concluding that the sins for which there was no sacrifice in the OT, the penalty was death (I listed most of these in a post yesterday to Steve), is what Heb 10:26 is referring to? (Nu 15:30: " But anyone who sins defiantly, whether native-born or alien, blasphemes the LORD, and that person must be cut off from his people. [31] Because he has despised the LORD's word and broken his commands, that person must surely be cut off; his guilt remains on him.") Thanks Hank……..Bub |
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2 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | 2ndSamuel22 | 53735 | ||
Dear bubbatate, I do beleive that the sacrifice Jesus made upon the Cross was sufficient to cover every and all sin. I would refer you to Hebrews 9:15--"For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance." In other words, any sin which would have required death under the old(Mosaic) covenant, Jesus paid for with His life(Romans 3:25). As for the passage in Hebrews 10:26-31.... vv26-27--EVERY sin we commit is done willfully. We don't sin by accident, agreed? What is being referred to here is continual, ongoing sin. Even if we profess to accept Christ as our Saviour, we must show it in the things we do and the way we live(James 2:17-19), and put away the old man(Ephesians 4:22). v28, vv30-31--self-explanatory. v29--I truly believe this speaks to those who have heard the Gospel, but still want to live under the old Mosaic Law. They have heard of the sacrifice Jesus made on our behalf, yet "count the blood of the covenant that sanctified Him an unholy thing". They still want to seek their own righteousness through the Law, thus "insulting the Spirit of grace." He is exalted, the King is exalted on High!! 2nd Samuel 22 |
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3 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 53786 | ||
Dear IISa…….. Thanks for your input. I don’t believe that all sin is willful, for instance, sometimes a “white lie” will be out of my mouth before I know it……sometimes I get angry without a moment’s notice and sometimes I say things hastily that I regret and know were wrong and hurtful…..sometimes I see a cool car and wish it was mine……those are sins, i.e. missing the mark…..but they were not willful, I did not decide to do them, but there they are…..I do confess these shortfalls and try to curb my impulsiveness in the future…..with varying degrees of success. A willful sin is one you contemplate before hand, know it’s wrong, and go for it anyway. Also, I believe that calling good evil and evil good is willful sin. For instance, many practicing homosexuals, with the blessings of their pastors, say that homosexual sex is not a sin….just because they choose not to accept God’s definition of sin they are, I think, in the LORD’s eyes sinning willfully and defiantly…..and the preachers who encourage them, in the name of “love” are false teachers. I know a certain popular TV preacher, who over and over again has said there’s no sin, past, present or future which is not forgiven once you have "received Jesus into your heart", and once saved always saved……almost like carte blanche……Those kinds of statements seem to mislead a lot of people into seeing “salvation” as their get out of jail free card. Look at the letters to the churches in the Revelation, Y’shua is speaking to “church” people, not heathens……5 out of 7 are messing up……he doesn’t comfort them with sweet talk about grace and forgiveness……He says “Repent or else!”. This was only about 60 years after the resurrection and five-sevenths of the congregations were in pathetic shape…..we are over 2000 years removed …….what’s contemporary Christendom’s ratio of right track vs wrong track today….can we assume it’s better or worse than two-sevenths going in the right direction? Of course, every denomination thinks that they are “Philadelphia” and the one around the corner is “Laodicia”. Mt 7:21 also comes to mind…… "Not everyone who says to me, “Lord, Lord”, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. [22] Many will say to me on that day, “Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?” [23] Then I will tell them plainly, I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers (practitioners of lawlessness)!” Y'shua specifically defines who will be rejected, calling them “anomia” (no law or without law) doers……the opposite then, those who will enter the kingdom, would be those who live the Law (nomos) i.e. do the will of the Father as Y’shua said. (I’m sure you know this, but just to be clear…..when Greek puts an “a” in front of a word…..it is the opposite of that word. As in “atheist”……a “theist” is one who acknowledges God…..and we all know what putting an “a” in front of that means….it’s the exact opposite.) The above, Mt 7:21, is also talking about “church” people……not heathens…..they must be really serious and active “church” people….into prophesy, driving out demons and performing miracles…..all in the name of the Messiah (they’re “giving him the glory”)…..with all this going on they must also be very visible in the congregation and a huge influence on others. This is scary stuff. Y’shua is offering no grace and no blood covering.....they are already standing in His presence.....it’s too late for repentance, the grace period is over…..they’re dead meat. Were they knowingly sinning? Apparently not….they’re shocked to find that they’re not in the loop. My guess is they did not know they were sinning because their definition of sin was amiss…….which illustrates that ignorance, which is seen as ignoring the Torah in Hosea, is not an excuse. [Hos 4:6 “My people are destroyed from LACK OF KNOWLEDGE (ignorance). Because you have rejected knowledge, I also reject you as my priests; because YOU HAVE IGNORED THE TORAH OF YOUR GOD, I also will ignore your children.“] We don’t know specifically what the Mt 7:21 people were up to so that we can specifically avoid the pit they got themselves into……Y’shua simply categorizes them as “lawless”…….so how then can we avoid their downfall? By being “lawful” I would think……how do you practice “lawfulness”…..by being full of the Law (i.e. accept it fully, not partially). Frankly, and brutally, in my opinion…….I think that Christianity’s negating of the fourth commandment is a fatal flaw, I think it qualifies as “lawlessness”…..it is ignoring "the Torah of your God", as Hosea says above. Civilly speaking, you don’t have to break every law in the book to be deemed a criminal……choosing to break one of them will do….of course, this is also the point which James 2:10-11 is making concerning Torah. Continued…….see next post |
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4 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | 2ndSamuel22 | 53824 | ||
Dear bubbatate, With all due respect, I stand by what I said before, that all sin is willful. I would ask you this: How long must we think about a sin before we commit it? God does not have a timetable He uses to judge that. Whether we think about sinning for a day, a week, or even a split-second, it is still premeditated. It is still our flesh being in control(see Romans 8:1-8). How long did Uzzah think before he placed his hands on the Ark of the Covenant?(I Samuel 6:6-7) In the letters in Revelations, Jesus is addressing the churches which were making false professings of faith, those seeds that were sown among the thorns, if you will. Their faith was not salvific, that it would make them want to live for Christ. As far as Matthew 7, I would refer you to Acts, chapter 16, vv16-19. Prophesying and performing miracles are not signs of salvation. Don't forget, OT Saul consulted a medium, against the admonition of Deuteronomy 18:10. Also, the Antichrist and his false prophet will come performing signs and wonders. Touching on the Mosaic Law, the Apostle Paul tells us in Galatians 3:24-25, "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster."(KJV) In other words, the Law teaches us how to live as Christ, so that we may have a saving faith. Then, once that faith is come, we are not bound to it neck-and-heel. Are we to obey it? Of course, the best we can. We have salvation, we have liberty, but "For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another."(Galatians 5:13 NASB) But, we are human after all, so we will slip. That is when God pours out His grace upon us, the shed blood of Jesus Christ Our Lord. As far as your other post(about the trial), I would simply point you to Matthew 12: 9-13. By your belief and reliance on the Torah, Jesus should have been stoned for healing on the sabbath. Not once, but twice(see also John chapter 5). He is exalted, the King is exalted on High!! 2nd Samuel 22 |
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