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1 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 53651 | ||
Salutations Steve, Sorry, I didn't mean to duck your questions.....as I said, I was responding to Johnny who in essense said he wanted nothing to do with the old testament, if Jesus didn't specifically teach it he’s not buying it". My example of bestiality was just an example of how you can't expect every nuance of life to be addressed with specificity in the NT......your list of questions illustrates the same point. It’s a no brainer which is why I didn’t even bother to respond. I had to use an Old Testament law to disprove his point because he was bad mouthing the OT. But then you are looking for me to cite a specific OT law against your list.....I never said that the OT commands were all inclusive…..but a lot of people, like Johnny, think that the NT is. You can’t imagine how sorry I am that I opened my big mouth about bestiality, yikes! However, I can’t let your other comments slide….You said: “And that was my point about misunderstanding or misapplying God's will to which you said "There is no grace nor sacrifice for willful sin, including the blood of Y’shua." With all due respect, that is pure bunk. Read 1 John 1:8-2:2.” With all due respect, get your scissors, I personally prefer a single edged razor blade, and remove Heb 10:26 and 29 from your Bible…..it’s pure bunk. I Jn 1:8 and 2:2 are great but you have to reconcile them with IJn 3:6, 9 and IJn 5:16-18…..John is saying there is a sin, AMONG THE BROTHERS…..that would indicate a sin committed by a professed believer…. that leads to death (one of those listed below)…..it apparently is a sin which the blood of Y’shua doesn’t cover. There are a host of sins in the OT for which there was no sacrifice…..the offender was the dead meat….no grabbing an animal and heading for the Tabernacle….they include: Breaking commandments 1 and 2--Lev 20:2 Breaking the 3rd commandment--Lev 24:14-16 Breaking the 4th commandment—Ex 35:2; Nu 15:33-35 Breaking the 5th commandment—Dt 21:18:21; Ex 21:15, 17; Lev 20:9 Breaking the 6th commandment--Ge 9:5-6; Nu 35:16-21, 30-33; Dt 17:6 Breaking the 7th commandment—Lev 20:10; Dt 22:22 Consulting a medium or spiritist—Lev 20:27 Prophesying falsely or propagating false doctrines—Dt 13:6-10 False worship—Dt 17:2—8 Promiscuity—Dt 22:20-21; Lev 21:9 Incest—Lev 20:11-12, 14 Practicing homosexuality—Lev 20:13 Bestiality—Ex 22:19 Rape of a betrothed virgin--Dt 22:25 Kidnapping--Ex 21:16; Dt 24: Witchcraft--Ex 22:18 Offering human sacrifice--Lev 20:2-5 Sacrificing to false gods--Ex 22:20 Refusing to abide by the decision of the court--Dt 17:12 Anyway……if there was no blood atonement for the above under the Old Covenant sacrificial system, there can be no atonement with Y’shua’s blood once you have professed commitment to the New Covenant……which can’t be stated more clearly than in Heb 10:26,29. If you would like me to address Galations please give me specific passages to look at. Thanks Steve…………Bub |
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2 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | Hank | 53691 | ||
Bub, you're passing around the word 'bunk' rather liberally, in connection with scriptural passages, and I for one am confused about what you are trying to say. Please be less ambiguous. It is diffcult to follow your reasoning. --Hank | ||||||
3 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 53701 | ||
Dear Hank…… I’m having an ongoing dialogue with Steve. My flippant use of the word “bunk” can’t be understood without knowing to what I am responding…..I didn’t think of the impact my statement would have when read as an isolated comment……..sorry. Here’s the deal, my original comment was, “There is no sacrifice for intentional, willful sin, including the blood of Y’shua. See I Jn 3:9; 5:18 and especially look at Heb 10:26-31 below and the comments following.” HEB 10:26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," and again, "The Lord will judge his people." 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.” Steve’s reply was, “And that was my point about misunderstanding or misapplying God's will to which you said "There is no grace nor sacrifice for willful sin, including the blood of Y’shua." With all due respect, that is pure bunk. Read 1 John 1:8-2:2. But I see why you're not worried about no longer being able to sacrifice since you have achieved perfection in this life. ;-) .” My remark, which you are addressing, was pure sarcasm……he said that what I said about there being no sacrifice, including Y’shua’s blood, for willful sin was “pure bunk”….if that statement is “pure bunk” then you have to conclude that Heb 10:26 is also “pure bunk”…that was my point. I hope you can follow that. Since I have your ear and respect your opinion…….am I correct in concluding that the sins for which there was no sacrifice in the OT, the penalty was death (I listed most of these in a post yesterday to Steve), is what Heb 10:26 is referring to? (Nu 15:30: " But anyone who sins defiantly, whether native-born or alien, blasphemes the LORD, and that person must be cut off from his people. [31] Because he has despised the LORD's word and broken his commands, that person must surely be cut off; his guilt remains on him.") Thanks Hank……..Bub |
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4 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | Hank | 53733 | ||
Bub, may I commend to your attention a sermon by Charles Spurgeon entitled "Final Perseverence"? Go to spurgeon.org/sermons/0075.htm --Hank | ||||||
5 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 53760 | ||
Hank......I can't thank you enough for the heads up on Spurgeon......it was awesome!!! It made me nostalgic for that "old time religion".....they just don't preach like that anymore. Thanks again.....Bub |
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6 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | Hank | 53776 | ||
Bub, I'm pleased that you liked Spurgeon. He was truly one of the towering giants of his day and of any day. But, Bub, there are some, a few not many, who still preach a la Spurgeon. My pastor is one of them, I'm delighted to say. Now that you have had a taste of Spurgeon, I hope that you will read more of his sermons from the web site I gave you. To other forum users who may want to visit the Spurgeon web site, it's simply www.spurgeon.org. Click around on the site to locate his sermons and other material about this truly great preacher. --Hank | ||||||