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1 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 53468 | ||
continued from above...... Ultimately, I don’t believe that anyone from “the nations”, or any biological Jew, for that matter, is going to be on the scene except for those who enthusiastically choose Torah as in Isa 2:3. So, to respond to your statement, “Demonstrate from the Bible that the Torah in its entirety had any implications for people outside the covenant people of Israel.” It can’t be demonstrated for it was never so, Torah never had any implications for anyone outside of the LORD’s covenants……neither Old nor New..…except that hopefully others of the nations (that’s us) would choose to “bind themselves to the LORD” by choosing to come under His covenant. (again, see Isa 56:6). If I may insert a side bar here for Johnny……he referred to Torah as “your Torah” when addressing Simchat……in one respect it is Simchat’s Torah in that he has chosen Torah, it is in his mind and heart…….but I don’t think that was what Johnny meant. Torah is “thus saith the LORD”…….it is His Torah and the word of the LORD stands forever. What did Y’shua have to say to satan? “It is written: Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God." (Mt 4:4). Where do we find “every word that comes from the mouth of God” that man is to “live on”? Isn’t He saying, to paraphrase, “Man lives on Torah alone”? Is it a coincidence that Messiah Y’shua affirms the Torah in satan’s face? “Every word that comes from the mouth of God” is Torah, which is translated as “nomos/law” in the NT. The one who comes against Y’shua, the anti-messiah, satan’s henchman, is referred to as “anomos” (without “nomos”/lawless) in II Th 2:8. There you have it……The Messiah Y’shua is pro-Torah, the anti-messiah is anti-Torah……..Y’shua is the master of Truth, the anti-messiah is the master of deceit through lies. If Y’shua would come back today and preach, “Man is to live by every word that comes from the mouth of God…..and that’s the Torah” he would be dismissed as the “anti-christ” by most Christians, because that statement does not line up with their theology. If one sees Jesus as having abolished the “nomos”…….that makes Jesus “anomos”. An ominous conclusion. The defense rests…… Thanks Joe…….Bub |
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2 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | Reformer Joe | 53483 | ||
Thanks for your input, Bub. However, I don't think you understood my point. God's moral commands are indeed eternal, but you failed to address my arguments regarding Acts 15, Galatians, Ephesians 2, Colossians 2, and Hebrews, all which apparently point out that the ceremonial and sacrificial aspcects of the Torah have been consummated in Yeshua. What do you do with Galatians if the ENTIRE Torah is binding on all of God's covenant people today? | ||||||
3 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | bubbatate | 53627 | ||
Dear Joe…… I can’t find the posting to which you responding, I apologize…..can you give me the date and time etc. so I can find it? Re your comment: “You failed to address my arguments regarding Acts 15, Galatians, Ephesians 2, Colossians 2, and Hebrews, all which apparently point out that the ceremonial and sacrificial aspects of the Torah have been consummated in Yeshua.” I can still can address the statement……you use the word “apparently”……can you give me a “definitely”? The sacrificial aspects being over, I can buy……there’s no physical temple, ergo there can be no physical sacrifices……yet Paul was still making sacrifices after the resurrection while the temple was still standing. What do you mean by “ceremonial” aspects? The Levitical services? Again, with no temple the Levites are out of a job. Re your comment: “What do you do with Galatians if the ENTIRE Torah is binding on all of God's covenant people today?” That’s easy……..I go to Mt 5:18-19, Y’shua said it….that settles it. Thanks Joe…….Bub |
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4 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | John Reformed | 53716 | ||
Dear Bub, You responded to Joe by saying: Re your comment: “What do you do with Galatians if the ENTIRE Torah is binding on all of God's covenant people today?” That’s easy……..I go to Mt 5:18-19, Y’shua said it….that settles it. All Scipture is God breathed. It is "The Word". Jesus is "The Word". Galatians is as much the teaching of Christ as His words printed in red in many Bibles. You seem to infer that the "direct" quotations of Christ have more authority than any other passages in the Bible. Please explain your response. John |
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5 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | In the Andes | 53720 | ||
Hey, If Paul is wrong he shouldn't be in the Bible. And if what He says contradicts Jesus then the entire Bible is wrong. So, Jesus saying it...that settles it doesn't fit too well with Bible interp. |
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