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1 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | Mommapbs | 53288 | ||
Shalom Simchat Torah! Welcome - I have enjoyed reading your posts. I agree that the New Testament is greatly enhanced when we have a fuller understanding of the God's covenant relationship with Israel. Thank you for providing us with additional insights! You wrote: " I do believe that Yeshua is the Messiah, but I find it interesting that the idea of a coming “Messiah”was a Rabbinic tradition rather than Biblical, while the Bible calls the coming one a “Prophet”. " Please explain what you mean by this statement. Daniel refers to the coming of Messiah. So how is this a Rabbinic tradition? So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress. Dan 9:25 Blessings, Mommapbs |
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2 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | Simchat Torah | 53291 | ||
Shalom Mommapbs; Thank you for the welcome, I have been impressed with the politeness and sincerity in the forums and am thankful for the warm welcome you and everyone else have given to me. I know that my beliefs are quit a bit different from most in this forum but I hope that I can learn from others and that I can contribute to others in their learning as well. Concerning the comments above. While many believe the “messiah” (Meshiach in Hebrew which means “anointed”) in Daniel 9:25 to be Yeshua/Jesus, but this is an interpretation. I always stress that we must make a distinction between what the passage actually says and how we interpret it. I do not believe that this “messiah” is referring to Yeshua as this anointed will set up the abomination in the Temple. I believe that the anointed one in this verse to be one of the Ceasers. While it seems strange for us to think of a non-Jew as a “Messiah”, Isaiah 45:1 identifies Cyrus, the Persian King, as a Messiah. Isaiah 45:1 "This is what the LORD says to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of to subdue nations before him and to strip kings of their armor, to open doors before him so that gates will not be shut: Daniel 9:25 does not identify the Messiah but some interpret it as Yeshua and others as Ceaser, basing the interpretation on the surrounding verses and how they are interpreted. I hope this explains my position on my previous statement. Shalom Simchat Torah |
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3 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | Mommapbs | 53295 | ||
Greetings! With all due respect, as I read this passage in Daniel, there are two distinct individuals: "Messiah the Prince" (v 25) and "the prince who is to come" (v 26). In verse 27 we read, "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate." WHO is "he?" WHO is "one who makes desolate?" Thanks for the discussion! Blessisngs, Mommapbs PS: On a personal note, I read in your profile that you are a follower of the teachings of God and his Prophet Yeshua the Messiah. For you, is Yeshua different from other "messiahs" mentioned in Scripture? How? |
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4 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | Simchat Torah | 53310 | ||
Shalom Mommapbs; I dont think we want to go into a long discussion on this passage, maybe in another forum. Let me just say that we spend a great deal of time searching out these passages in their original Hebrew (the English translations often translate according to the religion of the individual or group). At the conclusion we were convinced that the anointed one could not be Yeshua. About your P.S. Yeshua is the Hebrew name for Jesus, the same Messiah Prophet as found in the New Testament. Shalom Simchat Torah. |
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5 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | srbaegon | 53312 | ||
Hello Simchat Torah You better go back and look again. Matthew 16:16 (ESV) Simon Peter replied, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Steve |
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6 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | Simchat Torah | 53314 | ||
Shalom Steve; I am afraid that I do not understand what you are pointing to here. Could you please clarify this for me. Thank you. Shalom Simchat Torah |
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7 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | srbaegon | 53315 | ||
Hello Simchat Torah Simply that Simon Peter called Jesus the Christ (i.e. Messiah, Anointed One). It was a plain identification of who the Lord was and is. To say He is not the Messiah prophecied in the OT is a gross misunderstanding of Jesus' person. Steve |
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8 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | Simchat Torah | 53317 | ||
Shalom Steve; I may not have made myself clear previously and for this I apologize. What I intended to say is that no where in the Old Testament is there a promise of a coming Messiah (with the possible exception of Dan 9:26, which I do not see as Yeshua), but there is a promise of a coming prophet. Yeshua is called a prophet several times in the New Testament. Many are not aware of the origins of the idea that Israel would receive a Messiah. During the “inter-testemal;” period, the Messianic passages were formulated and attributed to the coming Messiah, long before Yeshua was even born. By the time Yeshua came, the Pharisees/Rabbis had formulated a very comprehensive view of the future messiah. Yeshua came as that Messiah, but I believe more importantly he came as the promised Prophet of Duet 18:5. The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him. Btw, when you study the ancient Rabbinic beliefs of the Messiah, I find a very interesting turn of events. The Jewish Rabbis formulated the Messianic passages, which Yeshua fulfilled. Christians reject the Rabbis but hold onto the messianic passages. Modern Jews hold onto the Rabbis but reject the messianic formulas they created. Shalom Simchat Torah This in no way nullifies the New Testaments claims that Yeshua is the |
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